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Well,
The honeymoon is over. The Obama administration has had a "deer in the headlights" reaction to the B.P. oil spill for too long to be ignored. I've been quick to pounce on G.W. Bush for his talent for the absurdly extravagent demonstration of foot-in-mouth, but, Obama's crew is getting their own legacy of such now. Granted, Obama didn't shoot himself in the foot by creating crises out of thin air like the previous bunch did by inciting chaos in Iraq, and ignoring Afghanistan....still:
1. Six excrutiating weeks have passed, and the Federal Gov't hasn't marshalled all available resources in this struggle. I recall the effort after the Haiti earthquake: do our own citizens deserve less?
2. Nations around the world have offered help, and there's been no reply, no coordination, no master-plan from our government. I think I could have done better with a napkin and a pen on my knee while flying down there in two hours! WTF??
Why is this acceptable to us?
It used to be that the U.S. was the nation that led. We were the "can do" people.
Now,
1970s: J. Carter predicted middle eastern wars and turmoil. He wanted us to get off our addiction to oil. what have we done in the last 35 years? We built SUVs. Outstanding.
1980s: insufficient regulation of banking led to the S&L crisis. Took a decad to liquidate that gaffe.
1990s: The Tech bubble. The business cycle is banished. How'd that work out?
The "ots": housing and Wall street debacle. No regulation, no one minding the store, leave the crooks in charge. When they f**k up, reward them with a bailout.
Now: sitting helplessly by as the entire Gulf of Mexico is fouled.
Now: no space program. Not even the low-earth-orbit fedex known as the space shuttle. We have to borrow rockets from Russia.
Now: two generations of politicans, avid for re-election, have lied about the "true cost" of infrastruture. They wanted to be able to say they held the line on taxes. So, bridges, sewers, the electrical grid, roads, rail service, you name it, are rusting and falling apart. We get the gov't we want, and we wanted to believe the lies.
Now: no energy policy? The right wants us to drill more and faster? Seriously? How about an electric car? The ability is there, fix the grid, harness wind, waves, water. make the frigging car.
When I was a kid, I believed we could do anything? What happened?
What in the name of God happened to the land I was proud of?
"Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless, and do no wrong". (Knight's Oath, Kingdom of Heaven)
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HWNN1961 wrote:Well,
The honeymoon is over. The Obama administration has had a "deer in the headlights" reaction to the B.P. oil spill for too long to be ignored. I've been quick to pounce on G.W. Bush for his talent for the absurdly extravagent demonstration of foot-in-mouth, but, Obama's crew is getting their own legacy of such now. Granted, Obama didn't shoot himself in the foot by creating crises out of thin air like the previous bunch did by inciting chaos in Iraq, and ignoring Afghanistan....still:
1. Six excrutiating weeks have passed, and the Federal Gov't hasn't marshalled all available resources in this struggle. I recall the effort after the Haiti earthquake: do our own citizens deserve less?
2. Nations around the world have offered help, and there's been no reply, no coordination, no master-plan from our government. I think I could have done better with a napkin and a pen on my knee while flying down there in two hours! WTF??
Why is this acceptable to us?
It used to be that the U.S. was the nation that led. We were the "can do" people.
Now,
1970s: J. Carter predicted middle eastern wars and turmoil. He wanted us to get off our addiction to oil. what have we done in the last 35 years? We built SUVs. Outstanding.
1980s: insufficient regulation of banking led to the S&L crisis. Took a decad to liquidate that gaffe.
1990s: The Tech bubble. The business cycle is banished. How'd that work out?
The "ots": housing and Wall street debacle. No regulation, no one minding the store, leave the crooks in charge. When they f**k up, reward them with a bailout.
Now: sitting helplessly by as the entire Gulf of Mexico is fouled.
Now: no space program. Not even the low-earth-orbit fedex known as the space shuttle. We have to borrow rockets from Russia.
Now: two generations of politicans, avid for re-election, have lied about the "true cost" of infrastruture. They wanted to be able to say they held the line on taxes. So, bridges, sewers, the electrical grid, roads, rail service, you name it, are rusting and falling apart. We get the gov't we want, and we wanted to believe the lies.
Now: no energy policy? The right wants us to drill more and faster? Seriously? How about an electric car? The ability is there, fix the grid, harness wind, waves, water. make the frigging car.
When I was a kid, I believed we could do anything? What happened?
What in the name of God happened to the land I was proud of? I agree with part of what you are saying, but wonder what you mean by some of the points you make. We Alaskans went through a lot of anguish in 1989 with the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill. So, I can empathize. In regards to your comments: 1. What resources do you believe the government has to react to the Gulf "struggle" that hasn't been used? Everything available for oil spill in Alaska has been sent to Louisiana. We are wide open for disaster because all resources are down there. I suppose the same is true elsewhere. But, the materials are from the oil companies supplies, not the government. Do you believe the government should stockpile oil recovery/spill prevention materials and you are willing to pay for it? 2. What would you do with a napkin and a pen on your knee in two hours that would help the situation? What help have we refused from anyone? I haven't heard of any offers by any other country. Please enlighten me. 3. Actually, it was Richard Nixon who began the initiative to "reduce America's dependence on foreign oil" in 1973, following the Arab oil embargo, when gasoline prices went from $.35 a gallon to $1.35 overnight. I drove a Toyota that got 35 miles per gallon then. Nowadays, most cars get less than 20 MPG, after 35 years of technological improvements and incentives. Our Congress has neither the ability nor the desire to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. It is not up to them to do so. Only the consumers can accomplish that. Do your part. Reduce the amount of fuel you use each week, like I do. 4. If we are "sitting helplessly by" then what do you suggest we do? Any reasonable suggestion would get an audience. BP had a similar event off the coast of Mexico and tried the same remedies, to no avail, and is going through the motions here. The only solution was to drill a relief well, which is what they should have started at the onset. They would have been there by now. 5. We have an energy policy. It was developed in secrecy at Camp David shortly after George Bush got into office in 2000. It has served us well, they tell us. Of course, we will never know who developed it, nor who it is serving, but I imagine the oil millionaires are smiling about now. Our gasoline cost $3.85 a gallon up here. 6. Infrastructure is the best investment we can make with our tax dollars. Look what the Interstate project has done for McDonalds. The safe and efficient movement of people and goods is way up there on the list of good things to do. We can do, if there is the political will to let it happen. Call your Congressman and write letters. It works.
"Always wash your hands and say your prayers for germs and Jesus are everywhere." -Naomi Judd
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What I could do with a napkin:
Name someone with military background. Someone with experience and grace under pressure to synchronize and coordinate the effort. A Colin Powell for example.
It is clear beyond all endurance that no matter how big B.P. is as a multi-national corp, they are in over their heads here. We might well send them the bill after the fact, but, there are resources sitting idle in the nations I've mentioned that aren't being called upon. Booms have been offerd from Japan and Norway. Why not platoon the other oil companies into the effort. There is capacity to respond that simply isn't being tapped.
I drive a Hyndai Accent, it gets 37 mpg. I had hoped that maybe this time around I'd drive something more efficient. There were cars doing this well 30 years ago. Our efforts to improve our efficiency have been an on-going and bad joke.
I've grown hoarse with effort: writing to congresspeople, writing editorials to the local newspaper. The inertia has been suffocating for 30 years.
"Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless, and do no wrong". (Knight's Oath, Kingdom of Heaven)
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I agree that the feeling of helplessness consumes us in view of the catastrophic scope of this event. It makes me sad and angry that nothing that is being done seems to be the solution. I wish I had the answer. Look at What is being done by our government in response. There is a link to add your suggestions for a solution. Please contribute to it if you have an idea how to stop the flow of oil. The best one I heard of yet is to place a wedding ring around the pipe. That is certain to get it to quit putting out.
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Industrial accidents and medical malpractices are always caused by the so-called experts (competent people)unavoidably; because they are also error-prone humans. There is no error-proof solutions for mistakes and accidents committed by humans.
The only tangible recourse available for victims in these cases is financial compensation and that can only be guaranteed by mandating insurance requirements to the Entrepreneurs and by regulating the Insurers, when setting limits on policies and claims.
Good governance demand that the Entrepreneurs and the Victims are treated equitably.What Obama has done now is give an open check to the victims with no regard for BP,calling them the villain. This attitude tips the scale favoring only the victims, which might well be the right thing to do in this particular instance(due to inadequate insurance) but is very counter productive in the long run. If this trend continues,we might as well sing Requiem to freemarket Entrepreneurs and look up for guidance from other form of governance,if one is available to fit our bill.
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What I'd write down on that napkin, quickly:
1. Re-direct some stimulus funding or request emergency funding to develop a new Conservation Corps. We have millions of idle workers that could be trained, equipped, and sent to the Gulf.
2. Call up various Civil Engineering units in the Army and Air Force Reserves to aid in the cleanup. Do this on a massive scale.
3. Find someone with experience ( I suggested Colin Powell) running a large military operation or a large emergency relief operation. In Haiti, the US military coordinated the relief effort. It had it's false starts, but it has been run well in the face of overwhelming need.
4. Stop the Katrina-like chaos: local, state, federal agencies and governments don't seem to be coordinating their efforts.
5. Cut the red tape! A mayor of a coastal town had an (unproven but worth trying) idea of protecting his community's fishing industry by using tankers to block off the bay where most of the shellfish are. He waited a month for approval to try this from the Coast Guard. Now isn't the time to make sure everything is written in triplicate and all "I"s are dotted and "T's are crossed!
6. Get experts and equipment from other oil companies. Exhaust all world-wide resources in the effort to stop this calamity and mitigate the damage while BP works on the relief well.
Overall, this should be, as Jimmy Carter once said of the energy crisis of the 1970s: "The moral equivalent of war". The time for waiting for BP to take care of this single-handed is over. There needs to be a coordinated effort, showing the urgency of what is at stake. Our government has been too slow to realize this.
"Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless, and do no wrong". (Knight's Oath, Kingdom of Heaven)
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I'm going to make a couple predictions here that might be pretty far-fetched, and I'm going to combine them with a reading of the political situation that a lot of folks might disagree with. I could be completely off on both of them, but I don't think so. When it comes to the predictions, only time will tell. When it comes to my reading of the political situation--well... some folks might view these comments as me being an apologist for Obama. I won't really argue against that impression, because I am in a way rationalizing his political choices. I really think that's because my reading of the situation actually is that he's playing this as smart as he can. If that reads as me being on his side then so be it.
Obama is in a real bind on this one, and the problem is such that it doesn't really compare to Katrina or several of the other disasters which Bush gets blamed for. There's a very good reason for that, though, that will become obvious in just a second....
First off, I agree with those who are suggesting that this thing is going to require more than BP's pathetic efforts to fix. It looks to me like we're going to have to engage in a very large project that may take a year or more to complete. It's like D-Day or the Hoover Dam. BP is out of their depth (pun noted) and even if they had the capacity to deal with the situation properly, it's unlikely that they would do so because it's simply not in their financial interest.
Corporations (not just BP--but nearly all corporations) have so embraced the short-term bottom line in the past 30 years that they simply will not make a long-term decision that cuts into those short-term profits, even when those decisions are in their long-term interest. Corporations only rarely see past the end of the next quarter, let alone the next year.
Because the oil spill was created by a multi-national corporate entity, Obama can't simply step in and take over. Should he do so, the various world corporations would claim that he's engaging in a kind of anti-corporate socialist takeover again. That is, after all, what they claimed when he bailed out the banking system. It turns out it wasn't any more true then than it would be now, but the difference is that with the banking system we really were on the edge of a depression, so he had to spend a certain amount of political capital in order to keep us capitalist....
Unlike Hurricane Katrina, the 9/11 attacks, or any number of other situations that occurred under Bush, for which we actually do expect a direct government response, we expect a corporation to clean up after itself. Of course, corporations--particular oil companies--don't usually do that, but they do use that assumption in their PR campaigns and political wrangling. Had Obama stepped in from Day 1 of the crisis, the immediate hue and cry from the corporate world would be that this was yet another example of goverment interference in the free market.
The problem, of course, is that for those of us watching events, it looks like Obama is choosing to do nothing. He can't even begin a process of capping this oil spill because it looks like it's going to take a massive effort. Once one begins to marshal such an effort the corporation responsible will not only stop their own effort, but begin the process of claiming they are the victims of government high-handedness. That effort will undermine the relief project itself, split the already divided government straight down party lines, and could very likely delay the project for several years or even longer.
Before Obama steps in, BP has to demonstrably and inarguably fail. At that point, he can start the process of capping the spill without those who automatically line up against him claiming he should give the corporation responsible "a chance" to do what most of us realize they are both incapable of accomplishing and disinclined to do at all.
I'd guesstimate that it's going to take about a year (6-12 from now) before the public reaches the conclusion that BP isn't going to be able to do this thing on their own. If Obama had stepped in from Day 1 to deal with the situation he'd be confronted with the obstructionist politics of the corporate lackeys in our government (mostly Republicans--but an awful lot of Democrats too) who would delay the project. Their delays would actually add more time to the project than it would to let BP fail first.
So, in conclusion, it's better for Obama to hang back and get a gameplan for the effort together in the meantime. But he can't actually DO anything yet. Any action would be seen as undermining the "responsible" efforts of our morally upstanding corporate world, who view themselves and the market itself as an inherently moral enterprise. (Or that's at least how they present themselves.) Otherwise, the inevitable obstructionism of the politics will wind up costing more time, money and effort than any immediate action on his part would take up.
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From now on, I'm refering to Geeman as the expert. That was excellent.
I just think we need to talk about this as two different issues.
#1, the clean-up. We need some new ideas on what to do. I think we can get plenty of manpower to do the same things that we've been doing for the last 30 years. I don't have a lot of faith that that effort will get anything very clean. I hope Kevin Costner has more success in the future with his new oil separaters but that's just one idea.
#2, stopping the spill. We can fire BP right now but then we'll have to hire somebody to run their equipment. Other oil companies may have similar equipment but what's the difference? We need to ride their backs and question their motives at every turn but beyond that, what are we going to do, call in the navy and....kill the oil?
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I'm not sure if it was U.S. Government or BP who asked for spare equipment but City of Oulu, Finland, sent 800 metres of oil boom. I hope it is enough.
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From studying the Exxon Valdex Oil Spill in 1989, it is apparent that the oil companies control the US economy and will string up any politician that goes up against them. Have you noticed that Haliburton is not mentioned any longer in any way in relation to this fiasco? Thank you, Mr. Cheney.
BP had a similar incident off the coast of Mexico a few years ago. They tried the same tactics there to stop the flow of oil as they are doing now. Nothing worked then, as it is not working now. The final result was to drill a relief well, which is what they are finally starting to do now.
As far as the cleanup phase goes, look at the EVOS result. The Exxon lawyers fought the court decision for 21 years, finally getting the Supreme Court to decide in their favor in a civil law suit. Wow! What hope does the fishermen and tourism businesses in the Gulf have to ever recover damages from BP for this?
If the government can do anything at all, it should impose heavy, heavy fines on BP, Transocean and Haliburton for every day they spend in stopping the flow of oil onto American beaches and into territorial waters. Make the cost so extreme that it is cheaper for them to fix the problem than it is to screw around with experimental solutions that don't work. $20 billion a week ought to be sufficient to get their attention. After all, it is their problem. They had operational control and failed to take sufficient precautions.
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Geeman has thought this thing through from Obama's persective very well and thoroughly. My hope is that BP can indeed build the relief well by August.
The Administration already has insisted that BP start drilling a second relief well in case something goes wrong with the first try.
The problem lies with the oil already in the water, and that which will flow in the next 6-8 weeks. Point well taken Geeman about Obama needing to let this play out until it is obvious that BP can't handle it. Two points:
1. We'd better pray that they can handle the relief well part, and get better at the capping and collection part. Our government lacks the technology and the know how to do this if they fail. We'd have to call in the other oil companies to try.
2. I think most people realize that cleaning up hundreds of miles of shoreline is beyond the capacity of any one corporation to complete. BP is on the hook for 20 billion, so they will pay over time. But, while they may foot the bill, and the groundwork is in place, this operation needs to have the urgency and coordination of a named military operation such as Deseert Storm Noble Eagle, Iraqi Freedom...etc.
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For the benefit and enlightenment of some the posters in this topic ,I felt it necessary to share some knowledge which I gained when I was working in the oil patch over the years.
Department of Labor,through their OSHA ( Occupational Safety and Health Administration) arm is the only authority that oversees the drilling operations for oil and gas just as they do to every other general industry. DOL has another arm MSHA ( Mining safety and Health Administration) which regulates mining industry with specifically designated Inspectors for various aspects of mining.The Oil Barons kept the DOL at bay when it came to Off-shore drilling operation as the technical know-hows are kept as arcane among these Barons. Consequently, there had never been an assigned Agency specific to Oil and Gas drilling industry.
These Barons also own an accrediting Institute that writes specifications for drilling equipment and stamps them "API approved"( American Petroleum Institute) and market them. Haliburton,Cameron,Hydril and Dresser Industries—to name a few— are the company names owned by these Barons,who manufacture almost all the drilling equipment.Federal Govt.does not have the expertise to regulate off-shore drilling equipment. On-shore drilling comes under the purview of State Govt.
Under these circumstances ,I strongly feel that FEMA ( Federal Emergency Management Administration—an arm of DHS ( Department of homeland Security) and Coast Guards must assume this responsibility and be the first respondents in protecting the environment and the ecosystem and bill the culpable company, instead of waiting for the culprits to act on their own.These two entities should be trained like fire brigades and hold Oil-well-Blow-out drills periodically to the denizens of this area.
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Thanks for the above thoughful comments. I would like to see a world map that shows how much off shore drilling there is. By which companies and countries showing quanity and pressure of oil.
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Isaac Samuel wrote:For the benefit and enlightenment of some the posters in this topic ,I felt it necessary to share some knowledge which I gained when I was working in the oil patch over the years.
Department of Labor,through their OSHA ( Occupational Safety and Health Administration) arm is the only authority that oversees the drilling operations for oil and gas just as they do to every other general industry. DOL has another arm MSHA ( Mining safety and Health Administration) which regulates mining industry with specifically designated Inspectors for various aspects of mining.The Oil Barons kept the DOL at bay when it came to Off-shore drilling operation as the technical know-hows are kept as arcane among these Barons. Consequently, there had never been an assigned Agency specific to Oil and Gas drilling industry.
These Barons also own an accrediting Institute that writes specifications for drilling equipment and stamps them "API approved"( American Petroleum Institute) and market them. Haliburton,Cameron,Hydril and Dresser Industries—to name a few— are the company names owned by these Barons,who manufacture almost all the drilling equipment.Federal Govt.does not have the expertise to regulate off-shore drilling equipment. On-shore drilling comes under the purview of State Govt.
Under these circumstances ,I strongly feel that FEMA ( Federal Emergency Management Administration—an arm of DHS ( Department of homeland Security) and Coast Guards must assume this responsibility and be the first respondents in protecting the environment and the ecosystem and bill the culpable company, instead of waiting for the culprits to act on their own.These two entities should be trained like fire brigades and hold Oil-well-Blow-out drills periodically to the denizens of this area. Amen brother! Time and tide recognize no state or national border...how comes it that oil drilling could ever be in the jurisdiction of states. It defies logic. Though, I am becoming like the man that doesn't want to look, since every time I open my eyes and look at at thing that I thought I knew as though for the first time, I am shocked by the reality. This just gets worse.
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Obama is a sweet talker.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-june-16-2010/day-58---the-strife-aquatic Every heart sings a song, incomplete, until another heart whispers back. Those who wish to sing always find a song. At the touch of a lover, everyone becomes a poet. - Plato
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AnthA1G: Thanks for the link to the daily show. I am disappointed over Obama's people pleasing sycophancy. He does not know the crux of the problem in this Gulf debacle as Bush did not,in Iraq war.We pay for incompetence.
In sequel to my earlier post,I like to burst the myth about Mineral Management Services(MMS),which was mentioned as operating in cahoots with BP by overlooking some of BP's drilling infractions causing this spill. MMS has nothing do do with the spill.Here is their job description:
"The Minerals Management Service (MMS), a bureau within the Department of Interior, regulates and manages the development of energy and mineral resources in the Federal waters off the nation's shores. MMS also collects, audits and distributes all energy and mineral revenues from these federal waters as well as from energy and mineral resources on both Federal and Indian lands."
MMS is a scapegoat for Govt.'s infraction of not regulating the drilling aspect of Oil and Gas Industry.MMS does not have the know-hows nor the trained personnel to conduct drilling inspection.
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Ok i did not know about the MMS. Then what exactly is the job of MMS.
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How admirable the wee people are, with their confidence to solve all problems that come their way.
Off to Singapore for a spell!
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Whats happened to this area? or is it another Exxon-Valdez.
Is there any chance of getting back the fishing industry?
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Tovarish wrote:Whats happened to this area? or is it another Exxon-Valdez.
Is there any chance of getting back the fishing industry? huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/08/usatoday 2011/11/
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Reliability is a must -but the minor details of the story are skipped altogether.
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Tovarish wrote:Whats happened to this area? or is it another Exxon-Valdez.
Is there any chance of getting back the fishing industry? Tov: There are two points to be made: 1. The US government says that seafood from the Gulf is safe. They are still doing long term science, but the best word now is that the shrimp et al are edible. 2. You mentioned Exxon-Valdez. Apparently there is an after effect that starts lower in the food chain among small minnows and other food sources at the bottom of the food chain, then works its way up. This happened in the contaminated waters off of Alaska. The poisoning caused some fish stocks to crash, and they still haven't recovered. ...apparently, there is evidence of a similar problem in the food chain in the Gulf. It took 3 years and more for the full effects to become clear after Exxon-Valdez. So, the answer to your question is that the results aren't known as yet. Hopefully, for the sake of the fishermen of the Gulf, and their customers, it will work out for the best.
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