I was going to suggest that there must have been at least four who have been excommunicated and perhaps we could use them. Alas! upon googling I found this;

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/world/europe/25pope.html

..and exactly four so he must have had me in mind. Popes!

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"Millions long for immortality who don't know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon" Suzanne Ertz

I was taught that I was known whilst in the womb and before at least according to this scripture. If god is suppose to be omniscient as well as omnipotent then what applies in the book of Jeremiah I would think apply to all humans not just a select few. Surely not!! Wouldn't that be favouritism?????


King James Bible--Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.


http://bible.cc/jeremiah/1-5.htm <<<<< Please thank as it provides the verse from many bibles.


peace out, >^,,^<

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The poor object to being governed badly, whilst the rich object to being governed at all. G.K. Chesterton

You have my deepest sympathy

Next time maybe you'll be careful what you ask for.

...and I never promised you a rose garden.

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'DON'T TREAD ON ME'

Do you mean from erection to ressurection?

I do too. Jesus said 'Ye must be born again'. One must already be a Spiritual man (or woman)in order to seek and to receive Jesus into one's life. So the 'New Man', who is born again, will remember the old life that he has left behind, including the life(style) chosen at the age of reason. I do not believe that there is any other form of rebirth or new life.

You might have something there, but consider this - all spiritual energy must conform to the shape of God if it is to live forever. So there is only one shape, one form of energy, that matters - God-shaped energy.

QUOTE:

'Jacobusmaximus is right, he has truly a point here. It means a soul never can have a shape, form or energy that is not a God-shaped energy. Like its creator the soul is a time and shapeless thing that doesn't know a before- or afterlife. It is just there and will never get lost. The idea that a soul can separate itself from its creator and become something that is not "God-like" is an illusion, a misunderstanding of Gods creation, a cocky thought and blasphemy."

Please allow me to differ, dear sister, for the sake of sharing gnosis. I ascertained many years ago that, metaphorically speaking, that the soul indeed has a shape in the form of a serpent and why its place in the Garden of Eden where the story of the soul begins, and therefore, the axiom 'to be as wise as a serpent' means to have attained self-knowledge of the soul. On the physical plain it seemingly has mirrored itself in nature in the shape of Nessie of Loch Ness where its image implies that it undulates in an out of said lake that represents a series of physical deaths and rebirths such as the rite of baptism implies. In the middle east in such countries such as Iran the mythical feathered serpent is revered that implies that after going through the proper number of learning experiences and transformations through rebirths the cycles come to an end and feathers are grown in the shape of wings as it then ascends towards the heavens in a union with God perhaps in the form of a dragon. This same image can be found in the mythical Quetzecoatl of the Mayan culture.

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'DON'T TREAD ON ME'

I don't want to sound blasphemous or that I speak from anything but thinking about one possible way that seems to agree with scriptures and that this earth becomes Heaven, because I do believe each of us, as individuals has a soul. That we existed before this life and will continue to exist when each of our physical bodies dies.

I wish that since ancient times mankind kept a census. Maybe the numbers would add up, but I suppose we will never know for sure until we begin to remember everything. But it is a possibility that our souls are being "recycled" and that these bodies are not the first earthly hosts for us. That if we live in ways that prove we are worthy and responsible enough for our souls to again be hosted by a human being then we will. And eventually the only souls who deserve the privilege of human being as a host, will inhabit the human race. And those who don't, will inhabit hosts not human, but lower forms that cannot inflict the harm that misguided humans are capable of.

Would that not be Heaven? Knowing that as long as you continued to prove yourself responsible enough to care for all, we would come back as humans.

That loved ones who died, we will see again. That once those who do not understand the responsibilities that come with living life as a sacred human being are weeded out and after death so that their position on earth after it transitions into Heaven, they can longer cause harm for those who are responsible with what is sacred.

We only know how to utilize roughly 25% of our brain. Once the all living humans are only hosts to responsible souls we may learn to recall more of everything, so that when loved ones die, it truly is not a goodbye, just a see you soon, in every physical, spiritual, and intellectual sense (including literal) of the term "see you soon"

The veil is there to prevent those who would only live responsibly, if they knew of the reward.

I cannot say with any sort of authority that this is truth. But if it is, and at this time during these days your host for your soul is human, you have come a long way, and you are close, as the knowledge is all out there and humans can no longer use ignorance as excuse to to be granted "one more try as a human"

More than likely we are all already probates as the only one who was not, according to scriptures was Jesus. We have come so far, please learn to do the right thing, practice honesty. Because the earth will become Heaven, and you are going to be extremely pissed off living with a much lower host for your eternal soul's life.

Amen