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What are your views about mandating term limits for politicians in various offices? What are the merits of limits versus not having limits? If you think there should be limits, what should those limits be? What is to prevent a politician who is limited from simply transitioning to another office?
Personally, I don't think anyone should do any job for more than about 6 consecutive years, be it congress, cop or coal miner. It's just not good for anybody as an individual, nor is it good for the organization as a whole. So I'd generally favor term limits just because it seems like an effective way to keep things fresh, but that's not an opinion based on a particular political doctrine or philosophy.
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that's a very sweeping statement. I look forward to your replies, because I am quite honestly astounded that my "job" in this life should last only six years and then I must move on to another. In politics, fine, that is democracy and why we vote, but a coal miner ??? a policeman ??? a parent ??? I live in my own little world, but it's OK - they know me here...
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@tootsie i believe you are right on the money with your comment. it's hard to conceive of a great surgeon or scientist quitting as he/she is about to make a great contribution to society.
on the other hand, politicians.......................
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Unfortunately under the current system a senator or congressman has only to fulfill one term and they are eligible for a lifetime taxpayer-provided retirement complete with full medical benefits. So if you churn out new office holders every 4 or 6 years, soon you will have an army of young-ish retirees sucking on the government teat.
Also, as with any "team" the longer you play together the more you get to know about each other and the more effective you are. Long-term politicians, provided their hearts and minds are in the right place, serve better than one-term wonders. But aye, there is the rub! The majority of our elected officials are in the game for their own benefit and do not have the general welfare of the public as their top priority. And this is why we scream every election to "throw the trash out" and elect new rhetoric into office on the promise that they will do better. The toot cause of our issue is the general moral decline of our own citizenry.
Personally, I would hate to look for a new career every six years. In my chosen profession seeing things from a fresh point of view is absolutly necessary and the really top producers change employers every four to six years on average, but not careers. We tend to change from one industry to another so that we can both bring and get new ideas.
In summary, term limits is not the solution to our political woes in the U.S., injecting morals into the heads of politicians is. If the average Joe were to change careers every six years or less, operating expenses for training would skyrocket. We're already hurting economically as it is.
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Geeman, I appreciate the opinions, in particular that of Richsap's.
At times, I think a change in some ares, after a period, is a must. Lest, the incumbent thinks that he/she is supreme and is indispensable. Perhaps the productivity of such a person is either insignificant or of nothing. As felt by Richsap, the root cause of the issue is the general moral decline of our citizenry.
In India,I believe, there should be such a stricture for the politicians.
“Every nation has the government it deserves.” (“Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite.”) - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821)
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richsap wrote: Personally, I would hate to look for a new career every six years. In my chosen profession seeing things from a fresh point of view is absolutly necessary and the really top producers change employers every four to six years on average, but not careers. We tend to change from one industry to another so that we can both bring and get new ideas.
This gets to the heart of the question: Ought active participation in government to be considered a career at all, or just one aspect of one's civic responsibilities?
"Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits." - Satchel Paige
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It started out that way, a civic responsibility. These days politics is a chosen career and profession, and political parties view one another as combative enemies. leonAzul wrote:richsap wrote: Personally, I would hate to look for a new career every six years. In my chosen profession seeing things from a fresh point of view is absolutly necessary and the really top producers change employers every four to six years on average, but not careers. We tend to change from one industry to another so that we can both bring and get new ideas.
This gets to the heart of the question: Ought active participation in government to be considered a career at all, or just one aspect of one's civic responsibilities?
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Agree with all that has been written to this point. Common sense is not dead in this country, and we are not as stupid as our politicians would like to think.
We did get apathetic (or trusting) for a while, which is to be expected from time to time, especially when life is fairly good for most; but that has changed, and the change will only grow, in my estimation.
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I'm against all term limits because:
1. lack of freedom to take (and keep) it or leave it 2. in many jobs experienced (technical) specialists are priceless e,g, doctors, engineers, software developers and many other ICT related assignments 3. in a team there need to be a mix of students (young) and teachers (old)
Perhaps there are more, but you may have enough of these three that came to mind first.
Give a man a fish you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish you feed him for a lifetime - Chinese proverb
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One of the areas in which I live has a large population of extreme 'right wing' conservative republicans. I saw a bumper sticker in that area the other day on a large pick up truck, it had what appeared to be faux bull testicles as ornamentation under the trailer hitch. The bumper sticker read: "I'll keep my guns, you can keep the change!" FounDit wrote:Agree with all that has been written to this point. Common sense is not dead in this country, and we are not as stupid as our politicians would like to think.
We did get apathetic (or trusting) for a while, which is to be expected from time to time, especially when life is fairly good for most; but that has changed, and the change will only grow, in my estimation.
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Too bad. How could you gain experience in such a short time?
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I agree with ClubFavolosa, in my job as an engineer I realise that I am getting better with time. The problems that baffled me once are child's play now.
I also agree with the training expense part.
Besides if politicians were in the office for only one term wouldn't it mean they would try to make as much money as they can in that short term because not only would this be their first and last chance they also don't have to worry about the public backlash. Besides if you are the hard working intelligent type experience only makes you better with time.
The world makes way for the man who knows where he is going. ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Just a quick note of clarification because I think some folks are mixing their terms: It's important to consider the difference between "a job" and "a career" in this context. A career is often composed of a series of jobs. Some people have the same job for their entire career (are never promoted, never leave the same desk, etc.) but what we're talking about when it comes to something like term limits is, by definitioin, a job. It has a set period of time at which it ends. Someone might still be a politician throughout his/er professional life, but be required to have several different positions over different terms (jobs) during his/er career.
So, when I say nobody should do the same job for more than 6 years, I mean they shouldn't occupy the exact same position for more than that period of time. They might be promoted, demoted, move to another company, change their duties, get additional responsibilities or in some other way be effectively in another "job" than they had before.
This only relates to term limits in a tangential way, since I don't think it's good for anyone to have the same job in the same place for more than six years, nor do I think it's good for society at large for a person to stay in such a role for longer than that since it more often leads to stagnation, boredom and a sense of entitlement than some greater competence. It DOES relate to term limits simply because a poltician is no more or less likely to become stagnant, bored or entitled than would someone like a traffic cop, but it's only related in an off-hand way.
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The party in power is never in favor of term limits - for obvious reasons, and the party out-of-power is apposed to term limits - for the same obvious reasons.
I don't think that will ever change.
Personally - if the people in power are making decisions with which I agree, I want them to stay. If they are not, then I want them out. But that's probably true for the vast majority of the voting public.
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The merits of term limits vs no term limits vary from system to system. In our present (sham democratic) system I support term limits for politicians. Without a term limit a politician may hold power indefinitely, thus obstructing legal procedures that may be against him and unfairly favoring parties.
As far as jobs are concerned, I think it is healthy for production and inter-employee relations to not allow a person to stick to one job for a great length of time and to move that person to another job that falls within their area of expertise. It is also good to have programs to educate employees about related works and fields so more interchangeability could be brought into the workplace.
In this world there is no literate population that is poor and no illiterate population that is other than poor. - J.K.Galbraith
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Once they hold the reins of power, and are not for whatever they said they were anymore -what can the vast majority of the voting public do about it? Will that ever change?
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Maggie wrote:The party in power is never in favor of term limits - for obvious reasons, and the party out-of-power is apposed to term limits - for the same obvious reasons.
I don't think that will ever change.
Personally - if the people in power are making decisions with which I agree, I want them to stay. If they are not, then I want them out. But that's probably true for the vast majority of the voting public.
Nicely put, Maggie!
I do not favor term limits. We have them at the ballot box. They are called votes.
What Maggie said is the exact truth: if they agree with me, I want them in; the opposition, I'd just as soon have out.
I do, however, believe term limits do far more harm than good and I say this as one who voted against Robert Packwood in every election of his long Senate career, until he took himself out. The majority of his electorate felt he belonged there. I disagreed: I lost.
I did not favor term limits then, I do not favor term limits now.
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