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Who Do Brits Want As New UK PM? Options
Hope123
Posted: Friday, May 24, 2019 9:53:10 PM

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Any ideas to share with us?
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Posted: Saturday, May 25, 2019 4:43:25 AM

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Margaret Thatcher had been epitomising work, intelligence and effectiveness. Contrary to her, T. M. made something unbelievable. She had taken place in the opposite end.
thar
Posted: Saturday, May 25, 2019 5:46:53 AM

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Looks like Boris is still in there.

A sort of inverse Trump. Boris is actually very clever but acts like a buffoon.
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Posted: Saturday, May 25, 2019 5:58:37 AM
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My choice would be Boris. I think choosing him would inevitably lead to a hard Brexit, and three years of a right-wing government of unprincipled dinosaurs that would make May and Cameron look like fine leaders.

I think a large minority of the British public need something like this to wake them up from the delusional fantasy that Britain on its own is a force to be reckoned with.
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Posted: Saturday, May 25, 2019 6:22:25 AM

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thar wrote:
Looks like Boris is still in there.

A sort of inverse Trump. Boris is actually very clever but acts like a buffoon.

Whoever comes, the buffoon or someone else, I'm glad you've ditched the witch.

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BobShilling wrote:
My choice would be Boris. I think choosing him would inevitably lead to a hard Brexit, and three years of a right-wing government of unprincipled dinosaurs that would make May and Cameron look like fine leaders.

I think a large minority of the British public need something like this to wake them up from the delusional fantasy that Britain on its own is a force to be reckoned with.
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Posted: Saturday, May 25, 2019 9:42:55 AM

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Boris is a lot smarter than Captain Sphincter Blossom (not saying much), but has the same narcissistic tendencies coupled with the belief that he alone has any ability sort through the mess that has been created. IMHO, there should be another "frundumb" and the UK should try to change the EU from within by getting closer with the more sensible members who share the Brits concerns.

Hope123
Posted: Saturday, May 25, 2019 2:21:36 PM

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Twitter says these people on BBC photo are a joke but somebody likes the man in second photo.

I don't know who any of them are except for the notorious one in first photo.

Who is man in second photo? Is that Jeremy Corbyn?

Some want a general election after leader chosen.

I also like Towan's ideas.

Edit - just answered my own question - yes that is Corbyn and he wants election. As leader of a party, I guess he would.






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Posted: Saturday, May 25, 2019 2:30:55 PM

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Hope123 wrote:
Who is man in second photo?

Looks like Jeremy Corbyn. But he is not Conservative.

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Hope123
Posted: Saturday, May 25, 2019 2:35:23 PM

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lazarius wrote:
Hope123 wrote:
Who is man in second photo?

Looks like Jeremy Corbyn. But he is not Conservative.

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Thanks Lazarius - I did some digging and found out he's leader of Labour and wants election, of course.
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Posted: Saturday, May 25, 2019 2:48:06 PM

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Yes but first the Tories have to have their leadership battle and appoint a new PM, then Labour will try to force a no confidence motion tomgetban an election.
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Posted: Saturday, May 25, 2019 4:04:18 PM

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Sarrriesfan wrote:
Yes but first the Tories have to have their leadership battle and appoint a new PM, then Labour will try to force a no confidence motion tomgetban an election.


Hi Sarrri.

Yes, Canada has a similar system. We copied it from you. :)
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Posted: Saturday, May 25, 2019 4:38:40 PM

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Hope123 wrote:
Sarrriesfan wrote:
Yes but first the Tories have to have their leadership battle and appoint a new PM, then Labour will try to force a no confidence motion tomgetban an election.


Hi Sarrri.

Yes, Canada has a similar system. We copied it from you. :)


Yes of course I knew you understood that Hope, but not everyone does, or so it seems from some other forums on the internet I sometimes visit.
Hope123
Posted: Saturday, May 25, 2019 7:49:19 PM

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Sarrriesfan wrote:
Hope123 wrote:
Sarrriesfan wrote:
Yes but first the Tories have to have their leadership battle and appoint a new PM, then Labour will try to force a no confidence motion tomgetban an election.


Hi Sarrri.

Yes, Canada has a similar system. We copied it from you. :)


Yes of course I knew you understood that Hope, but not everyone does, or so it seems from some other forums on the internet I sometimes visit.


Of course! Thank you.

And yes, most people do not understand our systems - it seems with some tweets I see that some of our CDN MPs and MPPs don't either. Whistle
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Posted: Saturday, May 25, 2019 10:50:21 PM

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Well, of all the people proposed (I actually recognise four of that motley crew in the photos), I would choose the Third Earl of Harrow, David Sutch (who would have to relinquish is earldom when elected - which he's willing to do).

His party actually has the most logical policies I've seen.

The tax policy is brilliant - make the tax system so complex that even accountants and mega-companies can't find the loopholes.

And . . . We will Send Noel Edmonds to negotiate Brexit because he understands Deal or No Deal.
There will be no need for a backstop to the Brexit negotiations. We’ll have Alec Stewart as wicket-keeper.

And . . . We shall keep the Falklands and Give Jeremy Corbyn to the Argentinians.

towan52
Posted: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:45:46 PM

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This seems eminently reasonable to me Drago. Perhaps we could give the Welsh to Ms. Sturgeon. Whistle Just kidding!!!!
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Posted: Monday, May 27, 2019 12:07:13 AM

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towan52 wrote:
This seems eminently reasonable to me Drago. Perhaps we could give the Welsh to Ms. Sturgeon. Whistle Just kidding!!!!

Well there was a fairly popular petition in Fylde, Merseyside and Greater Manchester saying they wanted to be Scottish if Scotland became independent - Wales is the next area down from the Mersey. Maybe the Cornish, too!
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Posted: Monday, May 27, 2019 1:08:17 AM

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Hi Hope.
I'm not ignoring your question, but don't really know what to answer.
I can see a little what some Americans felt in 2017 - there's no-one really inspires me as someone who would make a good job of it.

Thing is - we don't choose a Prime Minister, as such.
Each party has a leader - just an ordinary MP who the membership of the party choose to call their leader. They can be sacked at any time by a new vote.

ANY MP can be Prime Minister - it's just the name of the person who liaises between the House and the Monarch. The Monarch can't (except in extreme emergency and with numerous safeguards) order the PM or any MP to do anything. The PM can't order any other MP to do anything.
To become PM, an MP just has to convince the monarch that more than 50% of Parliament have agreed to more-or-less work with them, as opposed to against them.

So - if (for a VERY simplified example) the Conservative party have the majority of seats in Parliament and Winston Churchill happens to be the leader of the Conservative party, then he would pop in to Buckingham Palace and tell the Queen he'd like to live in Downing Street and would she give him the keys, please? - really, he just needs to show her that he has enough popular support to run the country. It's democracy of sorts.

Then later, if he's seen to be making a mess of it, the Conservative party (MPs) would just vote against one of his proposals - he'd fail in that and someone would suggest a vote of "no confidence" and he'd be OUT. He'd still be an MP, just not leader of the party and therefore not eligible to be PM.

Now, Joe Smith, Independent MP for Upper Woldingham, runs around and gets 55% of the MPs to say they like his ideas and will back him up - then he pops in to Buckingham Palace . . . and he's now the PM!

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Personally, I think Boris Johnson ACTs a bit of an idiot, but he's relatively shrewd, so he might be OK.

I really wouldn't like Labour to have a majority, and REALLY wouldn't like Corbyn as PM.
(Did you know that "corbie" is Middle English and Scots for "carrion-crow". And Italian Corvo. Famous for following Mediaeval armies around for an easy meal.)

Nicola Sturgeon is strong - got to admit that - but I can't see an SNP leader as PM of the UK, it's sort of not logical. Also I can't understand her logic of wanting to be independent of the UK government, but then become a sub-government in the EU. Should be independence, or not.
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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
Thing is - we don't choose a Prime Minister, as such.

They have the same system in Canada, which Hope has already stated.

Drag0nspeaker wrote:
I really wouldn't like Labour to have a majority, and REALLY wouldn't like Corbyn as PM.
(Did you know that "corbie" is Middle English and Scots for "carrion-crow".

Dirty insinuations. The animal I really lowe above all others is the Crow.

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Hope123
Posted: Monday, May 27, 2019 10:07:23 AM

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Hi Drago.

Maybe the elections yesterday put a different slant on things?

Johnson warns that the EU elections say that if Conservatives don't do a Brexit, even hard, the Conservative Party will be down the drain. True?

Thanks for the explanation of how our systems work so that others who hear more about the American system than ours can appreciate our superior systems. Whistle Only half tongue-in-cheek because although no system can be perfect, I really do see several disadvantages to the American one compared to the parliamentary one.

The thing I don't understand about the UK system is the names of the parties and what they stand for so I had to google. Canada actually has 16 parties but only 5 have seats and one of those is a new start-up party with one seat. That leader was annoyed Conservatives didn't choose him as leader. Don't ask me because I know nothing about it, but apparently we have a satirical Rhinoceros Party. 😀

The two main parties are Liberal and Conservative (no longer Progressive Conservatives as they were hijacked 15 years ago by Western Reform Party that was eroding democracy bit by bit for ten years till the Liberals got in - why I switched to Liberal).It is going to be a hard fight this October between the two with NDP and Green taking some seats away, probably from the Liberals.

The New Democratic Party usually takes a few seats and used to be mainly union supported. They lean to social socialism - not to be confused with historical socialism, The Green Party has one seat right now, and only in Canada is there a legitimate party with ten seats called the Bloc Québécois whose main mission is, or used to be anyhow, separation of Quebec from Canada, although I have not heard any squawks about that lately. I think they may have realized they have the best of both worlds - they keep their independence and language and have always received the highest levels of equalization federal transfers than any other province as a have-not province. And to separate means repayment of their share of the debt.

So good luck with your government - hope they get it through this mess before long so that the economy can pick up again.

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Lazarius - crows are loud, ugly, and obnoxious, stealing from other birds, but they have been shown in experiments to be highly intelligent.

Also, is it really necessary to call a woman leader a witch? (Not saying you did but many use that as an euphemism for bitch.) Do you call male leaders you don't like a similar disparaging name?

Assuming you mean May, I disagree. She was handed an almost intractable job by a male - Cameron - and for almost no cooperation from anybody. She tried to do what the referendum advocated and the best for her country and party. Nobody "ditched her" - she was smart enough to recognize she was failing in her mission and quit.


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Posted: Monday, May 27, 2019 11:04:11 AM

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Hope123 wrote:
Also, is it really necessary to call a woman leader a witch?

Only if she is one.

Hope123 wrote:
(Not saying you did but many use that as an euphemism for bitch.)

I never confound one for the other.

Hope123 wrote:
Do you call male leaders you don't like a similar disparaging name?

Why not?

Look, how many people will read this thread? This is a small talk.

What do you say of this Canadian pearl?

Hope123
Posted: Monday, May 27, 2019 11:34:59 AM

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Hi Lazarius.

Why? Because name calling is not civil and is a slippery slope.Studies even show that couples who indulge in that behaviour end up divorced more often than not. You really don't know how many people read this forum, and besides, size is no excuse. But if you wish to continue calling her that without even explaining why you think that so I might see your reasoning, then that is your prerogative and you will be judged good or bad upon that choice. I have always fought to keep this forum free of ad hominem to other forum members and we do have a civil forum here now, but also as in this case, to stick up against name calling and to stick up for women.

So many many men online are saying absolutely atrocious things about and to women and although "witch" is fairly benign and some may think I am nit picking, as I said, it is still name calling.

As for Yahoo, I only look on Yahoo Finance to see how my stocks are doing.

Edited and changed - I now see the word "cretin" referring to Putin as probably being to what you are referencing. I guess I shall have to call Yahoo on name calling too.

Although I can see that my values or word choices would make no difference to your choices here or to the editors of Yahoo either, but at least I make my concerns known.
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Hi, Hope!

I don't call people names either, at any rate not before they start calling me names, as the (rare) case might be. Because I think, beyond ethical considerations, calling names is usually counterproductive.

However, in this particular case the word "witch" might have been used pretty much in its direct meaning:

Quote:

witch
(wĭch)
n.
1. A person, especially a woman, claiming or popularly believed to possess magical powers and practice sorcery.


Now let's consider the facts:
I understand Mrs. May was appointed 3 years ago to carry out Brexit in acordance with referendum results.
During this three year period she very much looked like she was genuinly determined to deliver, and seemed to work hard on it.
And yet the actual result is quite the opposite: all deadlines skipped, no Brexit.

What is this if not political magic Angel
By this standard she has been a very effective PM.
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Kirill Vorobyov wrote:
witch
n.
1. A person, especially a woman, claiming or popularly believed to possess magical powers and practice sorcery.

Exactly! And Boris Johnson is (or used to be) her familiar. :)

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All this talk about magic reminded me of the film "The Ninth Gate"
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Hope I doubt the Euro Elections results would be reflected in a General Election, it's one thing to vote for single issue minority parties when it's not too important like these ones, but to actually run the country?Shame on you

Take UKIP in 2014 their European resists were 26.6% of the vote giving them 24 seats, in the 2015 General Election they achieved 1 MP.
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