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Koh Elaine
Posted: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:41:16 AM
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However, High Court judge, Justice Mohd Nazlan Mohd Ghazali, gave him a discharge not amounting to an acquittal on the three charges after allowing an application by the prosecution, which was led by Attorney-General Tommy Thomas, during the proceeding on Thursday.

Can the comma after 'judge' be removed? Sometimes I see a comma after such constructions, sometimes no comma. On what basis is the comma redundant?

Thanks.
Koh Elaine
Posted: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:06:54 PM
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Could somebody please help? Thanks.
thar
Posted: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:19:45 PM

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If there is no article, the comma shouldn't be there - it is a name. The commas make it an adjectival phrase telling you which judge.

If it is between commas, the sentence has to make sense if it is removed.


The comma after 'however' is also unnecessary and stops the flow.
If there are two commas, and you remove that comma-bound phrase, you get left with this core sentence:
However High Court judge gave him a discharge


You can see this isn't right because you need an article - a High Court judge gave him a discharge. You can then add his name as extra information, between commas:

However a High Court judge, Justice Mohd Nazlan Mohd Ghazali, gave him a discharge

That is like putting it in brackets.


If you want it to be apposition that names the judge it has to come without either comma.
The subject is one person -job title and name
High Court judge Justice Mohd Nazlan Mohd Ghazali

ie
However High Court judge Justice Mohd Nazlan Mohd Ghazali gave him a discharge

The first comma is wrong because it splits 'High Court Judge' from his name, and the second is wrong because (if it is not ending the phrase initiated by the first comma, ie if there is no first comma) then it comes between the subject and verb.



Koh Elaine
Posted: Saturday, February 9, 2019 5:29:31 AM
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Thanks, thar.
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