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Reiko07
Posted: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:08:15 AM

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1) Since is used when the reason is already known to the listener/reader.

2) Since is used when the reason is already known to the listener/reader, or when it is not the most important part of the sentence.

3) Neither of #1 nor #2 is correct.

Which is correct?
Romany
Posted: Thursday, January 10, 2019 9:54:20 AM
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Reiko -

Simply asking us to provide the answer is not going to help you learn better English.

Have you looked up "since" in a dictionary? Have you looked up the ways in which it is used? If so, what was it about the explanation that you didn't understand? Where does your uncertainty arise?

We can always help better when we know exactly what the problem is.
thar
Posted: Thursday, January 10, 2019 11:36:38 AM

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I must admit I could not answer this. It is far too abstract. You need to find some examples where you know the context, and see where it is used - and where it isn't!
FROSTY X RIME
Posted: Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:09:24 PM

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The answer seems no2.

I bring a couple of links for you to read:

Since

Since

In the first link, it states as follows:

As and since are used when the reason is already well known and is therefore usually less important.

In the second link, it states as follows:

We often use as and since when we want to focus more on the result than the reason.

Thanks for posting your question.
Thanks to you, I did some study on it as well.
I never thought of it at all before.




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FROSTY X RIME
Posted: Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:22:07 PM

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Romany wrote:
Reiko -

Simply asking us to provide the answer is not going to help you learn better English.

Have you looked up "since" in a dictionary? Have you looked up the ways in which it is used? If so, what was it about the explanation that you didn't understand? Where does your uncertainty arise?

We can always help better when we know exactly what the problem is.

=======================================================================================================

Dear Romany,

Why are you scolding people for posting their questions here?
It's not the first time you did this here.
I saw your posts with such a nature a couple of time before and I was one of your victim as well.
What are you that mean?
What is exactly your problem?
Your way to treat people here like that suffers me so much.



What should be shall be-The fellowship of the ring-
Wilmar (USA)
Posted: Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:26:09 PM

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FROSTY X RIME wrote:
Romany wrote:
Reiko -

Simply asking us to provide the answer is not going to help you learn better English.

Have you looked up "since" in a dictionary? Have you looked up the ways in which it is used? If so, what was it about the explanation that you didn't understand? Where does your uncertainty arise?

We can always help better when we know exactly what the problem is.

=======================================================================================================

Dear Romany,

Why are you scolding people for posting their questions here?
It's not the first time you did this here.
I saw your posts with such a nature a couple of time before and I was one of your victim as well.
What are you that mean?
What is exactly your problem?
Your way to treat people here like that suffers me so much.



I can only speak for myself, of course, but when postings are provided in the fashion this one was, I get the feeling we're only doing someone's homework exercise, not actually answering a question or providing an explanation for a concept or work not well understood.
FROSTY X RIME
Posted: Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:42:40 PM

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Wilmar (USA) wrote:
FROSTY X RIME wrote:
Romany wrote:
Reiko -

Simply asking us to provide the answer is not going to help you learn better English.

Have you looked up "since" in a dictionary? Have you looked up the ways in which it is used? If so, what was it about the explanation that you didn't understand? Where does your uncertainty arise?

We can always help better when we know exactly what the problem is.

=======================================================================================================

Dear Romany,

Why are you scolding people for posting their questions here?
It's not the first time you did this here.
I saw your posts with such a nature a couple of time before and I was one of your victim as well.
What are you that mean?
What is exactly your problem?
Your way to treat people here like that suffers me so much.



I can only speak for myself, of course, but when postings are provided in the fashion this one was, I get the feeling we're only doing someone's homework exercise, not actually answering a question or providing an explanation for a concept or work not well understood.


Dear Wilmar,

If you feel that way, you only need to leave it.
There is no need to get yourself involved.

I believe a forum is where we share knowledge by forms of posting questions and answers and explanations.
I do not see any problems with Reiko's manner in asking the question at all.

Plus, not everybody's research skill is as good as yours.

with respect
Frosty



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Dynamina
Posted: Thursday, January 10, 2019 4:58:26 PM
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Hello Frosty,
I think you have misunderstood Romany's and Wilmar's postings...they are just trying to help people.
FROSTY X RIME
Posted: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:02:38 PM

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Dynamina wrote:
Hello Frosty,
I think you have misunderstood Romany's and Wilmar's postings...they are just trying to help people.



Dear Dynamina,

I do not agree with you, unfortunately.
They are interfering only if so.

I do not think you understand the contents in Romany's post that well.
She is shaming Reiko.

I bet you are one of them as well thinking that way.

None of you seem to understand the purpose of a forum, either.

Romany wrote: "We can always help better when we know exactly what the problem."
This sentence simply is a subterfuge to cover her intention of scolding and shaming Reiko.
What else does she need to know to figure out what Reiko wants to know apart from what is already written in Reiko's post?

I DO NOT even believe people must do their own research somewhere else before posting their questions here in TFD forum.
Why can the TFD forum not be the first point of asking questions?
What's wrong with it?

with respect,
Frosty

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Reiko07
Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2019 12:14:27 AM

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FROSTY X RIME wrote:
The answer seems no2.

I bring a couple of links for you to read:

Since

Since



Thank you very much, FROSTY. I believe you are a very considerate person.

According to my English-Japanese dictionary and some of my grammar books written by Japanese teachers of English,

1) Since is used when the reason is already known to the listener/reader.

However, Practical English Usage (3rd edition) says:

3) As and since are used when the reason is already known to the listener/reader, or when it is not the most important part of the sentence.

I don't know which explanation is incorrect, but I suspect #1 is incorrect. I'm guessing that since can be used in the following cases:

CASE 1) The reason is already known (not necessarily to the listener/reader).

CASE 2) The speaker/writer thinks the reason can be readily accepted as a fact by the listener/reader.

CASE 3) The speaker/writer thinks the reason can be easily checked by the listener/reader.




Romany
Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2019 9:47:25 AM
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Hi Frosty,

Seasonal greetings and a very happy new year to you!
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