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Koh Elaine
Posted: Saturday, January 5, 2019 12:51:34 PM
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I used to wake up every night at 2 or 3 in the morning and couldn’t go back to sleep.

Would it be better if I replaced 2 or 3 with 2 o'clock or 3 o'clock ?

Thanks.
Marek Guman
Posted: Saturday, January 5, 2019 2:21:11 PM

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Koh Elaine wrote:
I used to wake up every night at 2 or 3 in the morning and couldn’t go back to sleep.

Would it be better if I replaced 2 or 3 with 2 o'clock or 3 o'clock ?

Thanks.


Hello, I can imagine "I used to wake up every night at 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning" Only maybe it is not exactly morning, at 3 o'clock.
So maybe "I used to wake up every night at 2 or 3 o'clock."
But your sentence is perfectly OK as it is, doesn't need o'clock to be complete.
Dynamina
Posted: Saturday, January 5, 2019 3:07:12 PM
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Marek Guman wrote:

Hello, I can imagine "I used to wake up every night at 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning" Only maybe it is not exactly morning, at 3 o'clock.
So maybe "I used to wake up every night at 2 or 3 o'clock."
But your sentence is perfectly OK as it is, doesn't need o'clock to be complete.

I used to wake up at 2 or 3 in the morning and couldn’t go back to sleep.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Saturday, January 5, 2019 3:19:53 PM

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Or "I used to wake up at two or three every night."


The words "night" and "morning" both explain that you don't mean afternoon - so they are not both needed.
The form of the sentence and context show that you mean time, so the "o'clock" is not needed.


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Marek Guman
Posted: Saturday, January 5, 2019 3:35:47 PM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
Or "I used to wake up at two or three every night."


The words "night" and "morning" both explain that you don't mean afternoon - so they are not both needed.
The form of the sentence and context show that you mean time, so the "o'clock" is not needed.


OK, I understand "in the morning" is used instead of "AM", but why are both "night" and "morning" needed?
When I say night, it's obvious I don't mean in the afternoon, i.e. PM.
Romany
Posted: Sunday, January 6, 2019 5:06:34 AM
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I think what Drago meant was that one could use either "morning" or "night" and it wouldn't make any difference (Wake up at 2 in the morning" "wake up at 2 in the night.") as he said "They are not BOTH needed".

The choice would depend upon the person. To some people 2am is part of the whole time they spend sleeping so it's night-time. To others - like me - 2-3am is around the time I go to bed - I always work better in the early hours of the morning. So to me 2am is "morning".

As you said, Marek - neither of them mean afternoon so the usuage of either - minus the "o'clock" - is fine.

Marek Guman
Posted: Sunday, January 6, 2019 6:45:59 AM

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Romany wrote:

I think what Drago meant was that one could use either "morning" or "night" and it wouldn't make any difference (Wake up at 2 in the morning" "wake up at 2 in the night.") as he said "They are not BOTH needed".

The choice would depend upon the person. To some people 2am is part of the whole time they spend sleeping so it's night-time. To others - like me - 2-3am is around the time I go to bed - I always work better in the early hours of the morning. So to me 2am is "morning".

As you said, Marek - neither of them mean afternoon so the usuage of either - minus the "o'clock" - is fine.



Thanks for clearing it up, Romany, I was reading it like "they are both needed" instead of "they are not both needed". My mistake.

Yeah, I admit 2 o'clock can be morning for sure for some people, mountaineers for example. But don't you mean you get up at 2-3am, so you can work in the morning.
Also, I like the expression wee hours for this time of the day.
Romany
Posted: Sunday, January 6, 2019 8:52:24 AM
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No I don't. I work better at night because that's the way my body rythms work. At about 11pm I get into a real writing blizzard and, if I didn't have work in the morning I would keep right on till about 5-6am. THEN go to bed.

But I make myself go to bed sometime between 2 and 3 or else be a mess at work the next day.
Romany
Posted: Sunday, January 6, 2019 8:52:32 AM
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No I don't. I work better at night because that's the way my body rythms work. At about 11pm I get into a real writing blizzard and, if I didn't have work in the morning I would keep right on till about 5-6am. THEN go to bed.

But I make myself go to bed sometime between 2 and 3 or else be a mess at work the next day.
Romany
Posted: Sunday, January 6, 2019 8:52:33 AM
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No I don't. I work better at night because that's the way my body rythms work. At about 11pm I get into a real writing blizzard and, if I didn't have work in the morning I would keep right on till about 5-6am. THEN go to bed.

But I make myself go to bed sometime between 2 and 3 or else be a mess at work the next day.
Romany
Posted: Sunday, January 6, 2019 8:53:10 AM
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No I don't. I work better at night because that's the way my body rythms work. At about 11pm I get into a real writing blizzard and, if I didn't have work in the morning I would keep right on till about 5-6am. THEN go to bed.

But I make myself go to bed sometime between 2 and 3 or else be a mess at work the next day.
Marek Guman
Posted: Sunday, January 6, 2019 9:17:37 AM

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Cool, I get it now.
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Posted: Sunday, January 6, 2019 1:22:14 PM

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I don't know why, but THE phrase is "two in the morning".
Have a look at this graph of the number of times the various possibilities are used in books.

Don't worry about the multiple copies of the same answer. It happens sometimes.


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Marek Guman
Posted: Monday, January 7, 2019 2:39:18 AM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
I don't know why, but THE phrase is "two in the morning".
Have a look at https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=two+in+the+morning%2Ctwo+at+night%2Ctwo+in+the+night&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Ctwo%20in%20the%20morning%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Ctwo%20at%20night%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Ctwo%20in%20the%20night%3B%2Cc0.

Don't worry about the multiple copies of the same answer. It happens sometimes.


Yes, it seems from the graph basically the only phrase used is "in the morning". Exactly what Dinamina wrote then - "I used to wake up at 2 or 3 in the morning and couldn’t go back to sleep."
Thanks.
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