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onsen
Posted: Thursday, January 3, 2019 6:04:30 AM
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Hello,

Mother cleaned the messy room before her daughter came home.
She wanted to make sure if her daughter would (A).

Daughter: Hi, Mom. I’m home.
Mother: Oh, hello, dear. By the way, did you (A)?
D: Yes, the room is tidy. Did you clean it?
M: Yes, I did.

Which of the below words is appropriate in the parentheses (A)?
1. notice 2. find 3. realize 4. sense 5. become aware
(self-made question)

Thank you.
Donthailand
Posted: Thursday, January 3, 2019 6:28:48 AM
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In my opinion: Notice
Sarrriesfan
Posted: Thursday, January 3, 2019 7:04:10 AM

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I agree with Donthailand, notice .

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thar
Posted: Thursday, January 3, 2019 7:34:46 AM

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Is this from an exercise, or something you have written?


You say

She wanted to make sure if.....

You can't have both of these.

Either you can make sure of something - ensure it happens
She wanted to make sure Kate would notice the room had been cleaned.

Or
You wonder if something will happen or not - you are not sure
She wondered if Kate would notice that the room had been cleaned.


Make sure that....
Wonder if.....
but not
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Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Thursday, January 3, 2019 7:52:52 AM

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Also . . . the original question (by the mother) doesn't make much sense to me with ANY of the choices - they are all transitive verbs.

I don't see how the "notice" answers come about. "Notice" is a transitive verb - a synonym of "see" - so it needs an object.
Did you notice the cat sitting at the door?
Did you notice I have had my hair done?
Did you find your purse?
Did you realise that you'd forgotten your father's birthday?
Did you sense something unusual about today?
Did you become aware of a change in atmosphere?


If she's fishing for complements, she could ask "Did you notice anything?" or (more likely since they are in the room) "Do you notice anything?"

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thar
Posted: Thursday, January 3, 2019 7:55:58 AM

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The whole thing is culturally baffling to me.
Kate's mother notices her room is messy.
Kate comes home.
"Kate, tidy your room - because there is no way I am tidying up your mess!"
Kate grunts and retreats into room, moves the mess around a bit and goes online to complain to her friends what a nag her mother is.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:03:18 AM

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OR Kate's mother notices the living room is untidy, and tidies it up (as would be expected). There's no reason to expect Kate would notice.

OR Kate's mother notices the living room is untidy, tells Kate to do it. Kate runs out of the house and calls the help-line to say that she's being exploited and forced into child labour.

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thar
Posted: Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:20:48 AM

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Yes, Kate's mother definitely has issues. Either seeking validation from her daughter, or passive aggressive. Whistle
(Not entirely sure what that actually means, but I think it fits here).
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:34:27 AM

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I think it's one of those 'disorders' . . .
Stephen Fry mentioned one yesterday which I hadn't heard of before - particular to psychiatrists - "Compulsive obsessive disorder-naming disorder".


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onsen
Posted: Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:49:48 AM
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Thank you very much, Donthailand, Sarrriesfan, thar and Drag0nspeaker, for your replies.

The whole question I made is intended to clarify how to use the verbs related to perception*.
*perception [uncountable] (specialist or formal) the way you notice things, especially with the senses (Oxford Learner’s Dictionaries)

There seems to be some confusion. Please read the first sentence of the question.

Quote:
Mother cleaned the messy room before her daughter came home.


The question is about whether or not Kate notices (or whatever) the fact of the room having been cleaned.



towan52
Posted: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:16:18 AM

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Gee! I'd better tidy my room when I get home!

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Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:16:58 AM

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Yes - though it seems really strange to me that a mother would ask about this.

My main objection is still that none of the "mother's questions" make sense.

By the way, did you notice?
By the way, did you sense?
By the way, did you find?
By the way, did you realise?
By the way, did you become aware?


They all 'beg a question' - Did I notice what?
Did I find what? Did I become aware of what?

She could ask "Did you notice anything?" or "Do you notice anything?"

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Romany
Posted: Thursday, January 3, 2019 12:02:43 PM
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No-one is christianed "Mother". She is either "Kate's mother" or... whatever her Christian name is.

It's been around 70 years since "Mother" was used as a general name for any woman who had a child.*

This is probably something which contributes so much to the "strangeness" of this interchange and premise - it's just culturally weird to us.

*(It's probably been that long too, since anyone's mother, after seeing an offspring's room totally trashed, would quietly go in and clean it up, rather than grounding the kid for a week! )
Sarrriesfan
Posted: Thursday, January 3, 2019 4:10:42 PM

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Romany wrote:
No-one is christianed "Mother". She is either "Kate's mother" or... whatever her Christian name is.

It's been around 70 years since "Mother" was used as a general name for any woman who had a child.*

This is probably something which contributes so much to the "strangeness" of this interchange and premise - it's just culturally weird to us.

*(It's probably been that long too, since anyone's mother, after seeing an offspring's room totally trashed, would quietly go in and clean it up, rather than grounding the kid for a week! )


The last part depends on the parent, mine would clean the room and then not let us forget about all she has done for us for about a month of Sundays.

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Romany
Posted: Friday, January 4, 2019 5:04:13 AM
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Dunno which would be the worst punishment then - being grounded, or being moaned at for 'a month of Sundays'!
Sarrriesfan
Posted: Friday, January 4, 2019 8:58:19 PM

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Romany wrote:

Dunno which would be the worst punishment then - being grounded, or being moaned at for 'a month of Sundays'!


Being grounded is better you don't have all the emotional guilt.

It still happens to this day when Mum visits my house she does not approve of the way I stack several days worth of dirty plates in the dishwasher before doing a load. "You could wash that now, you have a sink ...didn't I teach you how to wash up properly".

I love her but could not live with her now.

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