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Helenej
Posted: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 2:27:40 AM

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Does Santa Claus live in Lapland or in Sapmi?

Which do native English parents say to their kids?
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 3:08:18 AM

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According to the Royal Mail, his address is:

Santa/Father Christmas,
Santa's Grotto,
Reindeerland,
XM4 5HQ.

Letters sent there will be answered by Santa or one of his Elf secretaries.

I think that American Kids use the North Pole Post Office.

Finland is 'way south of Reindeerland.

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thar
Posted: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 3:55:49 AM

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Yes, nobody is that specific. Although the concept of a santa living somewhere is not so much of a British tradition. But if it were anywhere, it would probably be completely made-up and not linked to anywhere real. Depending on individual variation, of course.


Santa is not an Icelandic concept, although the branding has been incorporated somewhat into the Yule Lads (who live in the mountains but descend at Yuletide and steal your food, steal milk from your cows, harass your sheep, steal your candles to eat the tallow fat - under foreign influence they have become more benign), and there is stuff that caters to foreigners.
But some letters get sent to Santa in Iceland.
If they could see Iceland in winter - (you can't see it because (1), it is dark and gloomy, (2) it is probably sleeting or hailing if it isn't snowing or raining, and (3) it is probably too windy to go outdoors) - they wouldn't expect to see Santa there!


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By Iceland Review Posted December 28, 2010 In NEWS

Pósturinn, the Icelandic post company, has received more than 100 letters and Christmas cards this year addressed to the Icelandic Santa Claus.

They are forwarded to Mývatnsstofa, the Mývatn Tourist Information Center in northeast Iceland, and from there to Dimmuborgir, lava fields where the 13 Icelandic Yule Lads live. The Yule Lads reply to all letters and cards if the sender’s address is provided.

Jóna Matthíasdóttir, the Yule Lads’ assistant, told Morgunbladid that she expects even more cards to arrive until after New Year’s Eve, as has been the case in previous years. The record was almost 400 letters and cards a few years ago.

The vast majority of the letters and cards are sent from abroad, mostly from the UK, but also Germany, France and Russia. Not many letters arrive from the Nordic countries.

Matthíasdóttir said the Yule Lads are variously efficient in writing back as not all of them can read and write and they cannot expect much help from their ogre parents, Grýla and Leppalúdi.

Candle Beggar and Stubby are the most enthusiastic, she stated, but all of the Yule Lads can seek assistance from and use the facilities at Mývatnsstofa if they like.

“Sometimes a treat comes with the Christmas mail such as candy, drawings and pacifiers which children are delivering back to Santa. The Yule Lads are happy about the letters and treats; Christmas is a joyous time around here. They also love it when their greetings are returned with a follow-up letter,” Matthíasdóttir said.

The Icelandic Yule Lads are in competition with their Nordic neighbors as to where Santa’s true habitat lies. The Dimmuborgir Yule Lads have visited the Santa who lives in Rovaniemi in Lapland in northern Finland to familiarize themselves with the place.


Not sure what the kids think if they send a letter to Santa and get one back from a Yule lad who lives in the rafters and steals the sausages hanging there, or uses a hook to steal your meat, or hides under the bed to lick the bowls, or hobbles around on peg-legs and harasses sheep, or slams doors at night or peers in the windows looking for something to steal. I don't know how they tone that down while explaining the tradition. Otherwise you will just give the poor kids nightmares.
Could be worse I guess. Their mother abducts and cooks naughty children for stew in a pot, and the Yule Cat eats any children who didn't get new clothes for Yule (incentive to get that wool spun, kids!). Basically the whole concept revolves around stealing your food and eating children. Except the sheep harasser. He doesn't seem to eat the sheep. Now that is just plain creepy!
NeuroticHellFem
Posted: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 7:51:26 AM

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In Australia, we're told he lives at the North Pole. On Christmas Eve, there's usually footage of Santa leaving Lapland, within the Arctic Circle. Aussie kids aren't familiar enough with Arctic geography to ask questions. We also get news updates when he leaves New Zealand, which Aussie kids know is just across the ditch from Australia. The ditch is what we call the Tasman Sea.

Most shopping centres have a special mailbox for mail to Santa. Kids drop in their letters, with no stamp required. Australia Post advises that children should address their letters:
Santa
North Pole, 9999


When you make an assumption, you make an ass of u & umption! - NeuroticHellFem
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 11:11:21 AM

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I think you can buy an "app" for your phone which tracks Santa on Google-maps - they fitted the sleigh out with GPS a couple of years ago.


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Sarrriesfan
Posted: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 3:54:40 PM

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NORAD tracks Santa using their early warning systems.

https://www.noradsanta.org

Who says impending nuclear apocalypse never did anything for us.Whistle

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Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 6:04:30 AM

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In North American tradition, Santa lives on the North Pole, which according to Canadian Post lies within Canadian jurisdiction in postal code H0H 0H0.

There is also a city named North Pole in Alaska where a tourist attraction known as the "Santa Claus House" has been established. The US postal service uses the city's zip code of 99705 as their advertised postal code for Santa Claus.

Each Nordic country claims Santa's residence to be within their territory. Norway claims he lives in Drøbak. In Denmark, he is said to live in Greenland (near Uummannaq). In Sweden, the town of Mora has a theme park named Tomteland. The national postal terminal in Tomteboda in Stockholm receives children's letters for Santa. In Finland, Korvatunturi has long been known as Santa's home, and two theme parks, Santa Claus Village and Santa Park are located near Rovaniemi.

We Finns, of course know by our nature that Joulupukki (Yule Buck) lives in Korvatunturi.

The location of Joulupukki's workshop comes from a children's radio show called Markus-sedän lastentunti (Children's hour with Uncle Markus) hosted by Markus Rautio and broadcast by the Finnish Broadcasting Company between years 1927–1956.

Finland's Joulupukki received over 700,000 letters from children all over the world in 2006, according to a news report by the Finnish Broadcasting Company, YLE.

The US-based Coca-Cola Santa Claus was designed by the son of Finnish emigrants, Haddon Sundblom.




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Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 8:56:56 AM

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Just to confuse everything - I just saw Joulupukki 15 minutes ago in Kamppi, Helsinki. He was riding a one-horse carriage with his spouse, Joulumuori. The reindeer squad was not present. I asked Father Christmas where he lives, and he told me he lives in Mellunmäki, one of the eastern suburbs of Helsinki.


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Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2018 4:27:09 AM

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Hello, Helen!

Santa Claus comes from Myra, Turkey, so it is the Middle East where you have to direct your eyes if you want that one.Angel
https://www.whychristmas.com/customs/fatherchristmas.shtml

It is the Slavic Father Frost who lives in the north, he comes from pre-Christian tradition.

Helenej
Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2018 5:48:27 AM

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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
We Finns, of course know by our nature that Joulupukki (Yule Buck) lives in Korvatunturi.

Can Finns say that Korvatunturi is in Lapland?

(Actually my original question arose while I was trying to describe Finnish Santa Clause for a school essay.)
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2018 1:35:00 PM

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Korvatunturi is in Finnish Lapland. Sápmi and Lapland as an area in northern Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Russia is quite the same, but not exactly. Korvatunturi (Pelljatuõddâr in Skolt Sami, literally "Ear Fell" due to its shape) is located near the Russian border in Savukoski municipality.



Korvatunturi is best known as the home of Joulupukki, Santa Claus. According to Finnish Folklore, this land is the location of Father Christmas’ secret workshop, where toys, trinkets and gifts are made and eventually wrapped by gnomes. Known for their good-natured demeanour and their role as guardians of homes, these gnomes are also responsible for analysing weather patterns for the yearly gift-giving trip around the world. People have also said that the ear-shaped structure of the fell allows Father Christmas to hear the wishes of every child on Earth.



For post to Father Christmas Korvatunturi has postal code 99999 Korvatunturi, even though all post sent to this address will actually be carried to Santa Claus Village at Rovaniemi.




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Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Friday, December 7, 2018 6:19:58 AM

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Beautiful pictures.
In the middle of the Russian Plain where I live I much prefer summer over winter. Here winter is often humid, dull and no fun at all, except maybe only a few days. But northern winters are quite diffrent - ringing frost, evergreens in sparkling snow Dancing It is a big fun. Only the periods of daylight must be very short there in this time of the year, aren't they? So this sunny picture must have been taken at around noon I suppose.
thar
Posted: Friday, December 7, 2018 8:10:17 AM

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This is the weather the Icelandic Santa is having today.

Images from road cameras from the Icelandic Road and Coastal Administration.
(Same thing, mostly - the road follows the coast.)

I think they will auto-update so my joke entirely misses the point. (some of them show nothing at all, it is so dark and gloomy)
And the one that shows sun - if you don't see it now, you will miss it.





Mostly is too windy for the snow to settle.




But sometimes the fun is in the mystery
Is the camera broken, or is that just the weather. Whistle




As usual, weather is much clearer in the north - this is the main road around Iceland (Hringvegur [1]), with the sun shining!



Now why do these images never make it onto the internet to amaze tourists, I wonder? Whistle
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Friday, December 7, 2018 8:18:44 AM

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But you can swim there in the winter ;-)




Actually, so do we.




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thar
Posted: Friday, December 7, 2018 8:34:58 AM

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Yeah, at least Iceland has the sense to swim in hot water.
That whole cold water bathing (after a steaming sauna) is fine and bracing if you have a nice warm home to go back to.
But in Iceland there is barely any wood, no coal, no oil, no peat - before hydrothermal heating, if you got cold, you stayed cold! Definitely makes sense to bathe in hot springs, not cold lakes!

But it is still in the dark - they don't show that in the brochures!

blue lagoon on a winter morning

RuthP
Posted: Friday, December 7, 2018 7:05:54 PM

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Sarrriesfan wrote:
NORAD tracks Santa using their early warning systems.

https://www.noradsanta.org

Who says impending nuclear apocalypse never did anything for us.Whistle

So, for those who don't know, NORAD is the North American Aerospace (formerly "Air") Defense Command. These are the ones with fingers on the missile triggers, the bomber alerts. They ran the DEW (Distant Early Warning) Line up by the Arctic Circle. So, yes, nuclear apocalypse.

The NORAD Santa tracking vastly pre-dates the Internet, however. National Public Radio's Story Corps has the story of the beginning according to the children of Colonel Shoup, who was in at the start: NPR StoryCorps: Shoup kids remember

Wikipedia takes a somewhat more skeptical view. Wikipedia: NORAD tracks Santa
Helenej
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Thank you very much everyone for the useful information.
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