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onsen
Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2018 9:33:28 AM
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Hello,

Quote:
A. In spite of my ordering (or having ordered) the meal, it hasn’t yet come.
B. The meal hasn’t yet come when I ordered a long time ago.
C. The meal hasn’t yet come though I ordered a long time ago.
(self-made sentence)


The sentences try to describe a situation in which a customer is kept waiting long and impatiently for the meal and begins to mutter to himself.

Is 'my' optional in A?
How do 'when' and 'though' change the meanings of the sentences B and C?

Thank you.
FounDit
Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2018 12:07:48 PM

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onsen wrote:
Hello,

Quote:
A. In spite of my ordering (or having ordered) the meal, it hasn’t yet come.
B. The meal hasn’t yet come when I ordered a long time ago.
C. The meal hasn’t yet come though I ordered a long time ago.
(self-made sentence)


The sentences try to describe a situation in which a customer is kept waiting long and impatiently for the meal and begins to mutter to himself.

Is 'my' optional in A? Yes. It would be understood that you did the ordering if you say, "In spite of having ordered..." But I think "my having ordered" sounds better.

How do 'when' and 'though' change the meanings of the sentences B and C?
You are describing a conflict, but using "when" doesn't work for that. It creates the idea the meal wasn't delivered at the time (when) you ordered it, which wouldn't be possible.

The use of "though" does show the conflict between ordering and not receiving it.

Thank you.


We should look to the past to learn from it, not destroy our future because of it — FounDit
Wilmar (USA)
Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2018 2:20:19 PM

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I would like to suggest you look up the meaning of "in spite of". It's an idiom that I believe does not quite fit this sentence.
FounDit
Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2018 2:33:23 PM

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Wilmar (USA) wrote:
I would like to suggest you look up the meaning of "in spite of". It's an idiom that I believe does not quite fit this sentence.


I think it would fit in this circumstance, since "in spite of" also has the meaning of without regard to someone or something.

So here, it would mean that "without regard to my having ordered" the meal hasn't come yet.


We should look to the past to learn from it, not destroy our future because of it — FounDit
Romany
Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2018 3:56:53 PM
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I most definitely support FD's opinion here.
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