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A cooperator
Posted: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:03:27 AM

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Kirill Vorobyov wrote:

So what you're saying is that the USSR didn't do enough for Yemen.

Not for Yemen, but they didn't do enough for the People's Democratic Republic of Yemen governed under the concepts of the USSR.



Kirill Vorobyov wrote:
I assure you they did even much less for Russia.


Then that means that Russia is happy that the USSR was finished.

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Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:17:30 AM

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A cooperator wrote:


Kirill Vorobyov wrote:
I assure you they did even much less for Russia.


Then that means that Russia is happy that the USSR was finished.


That system, yes, although it continued under different names and in different forms, so it's not quite finished yet I am afraid.

What people regret is losing territories, especially those populated by ethnic Russians, losing connection with relatives, friends, etc. For some it's an inconvenience, for others it may be a full-scale personal tragedy. To some extent this is remedied by way of developing cooperation, free movement etc in the territory that used to be one country, but that's work in progress and going not without problems.
Y111
Posted: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:27:17 AM
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A cooperator wrote:
To understand me well, simply I'd ask you if you're willing not to let your own country "Russia" interfere in the Syrian case by any way, how would you have done?

By "you" I didn't mean you personally and alone. Since you said "we, Yemenies-to-Yemenies, can...", I got curious why you (Yemenies) hadn't done so if you can.

A cooperator wrote:
1- why did Russia play the role of standby while the UN, US, UK, KSA, UAE have been interfering in Yemenicase?

Well, I am a bit confused by this question. I thought you were accusing Russia of interfering in your affairs. Now it seems you are rather accusing it of not interfering.
A cooperator
Posted: Friday, November 2, 2018 10:15:53 AM

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Kirill Vorobyov wrote:
I assure you they did even much less for Russia.

What people regret is losing territories, especially those populated by ethnic Russians, losing connection with relatives, friends, etc. For some it's an inconvenience, for others it may be a full-scale personal tragedy. To some extent this is remedied by way of developing cooperation, free movement etc in the territory that used to be one country, but that

AFAIK, the parts of the former Union Soviet Socialist Republic are as follows: Moldova, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Russia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Ukraine.
So, having said losing connection with relatives, I'd like to know if Russian citizens need to have visas to enter any of those Post-Soviet countries or not.

All of them are grateful that they became as a Post-Soviet country.
IMHO, any union all of whose members are sincere is strength.

The Yemeni unit is even worse ever in some Yemenis' viewpoints, the EU as well as the USA have been still united, though.

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A cooperator
Posted: Friday, November 2, 2018 10:55:25 AM

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Y111 wrote:
A cooperator wrote:
To understand me well, simply I'd ask you if you're willing not to let your own country "Russia" interfere in the Syrian case by any way, how would you have done?

By "you" I didn't mean you personally and alone. Since you said "we, Yemenies-to-Yemenies, can...", I got curious why you (Yemenies) hadn't done so if you can



We cannot fix our internal affairs because Yemenis have been dispersed and entered into sedition by the interferences of the Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Iran, and subtle countries, such as the US, UK, France, Russia and Turkey.
The United Arab Emirates has been promising the South Yemen people to get back their country. KSA has been promising to protect Yemenis from Huthies, and Iran vowed Houteis to have the power in Sana'a and around.

Now, the simple solution of Yemeni issue is as follows:
1- Iran, KSA and UAE go away from Yemen.
2- Huthies must surrender the Gove. organisations in Sana'a to Yemenis and come back to participate in the power as respectful Yemenis during an election.


Y111 wrote:
A cooperator wrote:
1- why did Russia play the role of standby while the UN, US, UK, KSA, UAE have been interfering in Yemeni case?

Well, I am a bit confused by this question. I thought you were accusing Russia of interfering in your affairs. Now it seems you are rather accusing it of not interfering.


Russia has been watching at the Yemeni case, so I am wondering if Russia had been previously promised by the US and UK to play the role of a spectator in the case of Syria in return Russia has been playing as a spectator in the Yemen's.

Whoever doesn't own what he promises to those who do not deserve must not promise it.
Romany
Posted: Friday, November 2, 2018 11:30:11 AM
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A cooperator and Kiril -

Now that you have both taken the time to discuss your points of view, and the reasons you are both, in your own ways, so passionate in your politics, I'd like to thank you both: this dialogue has been very interesting. It's helped me, at least, to see where you're both coming from.

And though it has completely de-railed the thread, it certainly can be said to be pertinant to the concept of nationalism!
Tyoma
Posted: Friday, November 2, 2018 3:37:06 PM
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Kirill Vorobyov wrote:
What people regret is losing territories.

What you just said clearly shows that the inhabitants of the former federal state of Russia of the former USSR consider the rest fourteen federal states their own territories.

Kirill Vorobyov wrote:
What people regret is losing territories, especially those populated by ethnic Russians.

In 2002, about three million ethnic Ukrainians lived in Russia. Should Ukrainians start regretting losing territories in the Russian Federation?

Kirill Vorobyov wrote:
What people regret is … losing connection with relatives, friends, etc.

Why should they lose connection? Have trains, planes or buses stopped moving? You only need to have a visa to travel to Estonia. And before your invasion to Ukraine, you could travel there only producing your internal ID. Even now you don’t need to have a visa to go to Ukraine.

A cooperator
Posted: Saturday, November 3, 2018 7:31:19 AM

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Romany wrote:
A cooperator and Kiril -

Now that you have both taken the time to discuss your points of view, and the reasons you are both, in your own ways, so passionate in your politics, I'd like to thank you both: this dialogue has been very interesting. It's helped me, at least, to see where you're both coming from.

And though it has completely de-railed the thread, it certainly can be said to be pertinant to the concept of nationalism!



I am afraid if I might have spoiled your thread through my discussion with Kiril. But, the purpose of that discuss, from my side, has been how I can express myself in words about how regrettable it is to see the tragedy of my people throughout all these war years between "Houthis + Iran and KSA + UAE, the rule of the Yemeni Unit, and the Communist rule in the South Yemen.

However, as you mentioned, it's been still somehow relevant to the concept of nationalism.

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Y111
Posted: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:24:12 AM
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A cooperator wrote:
We cannot fix our internal affairs because Yemenis have been dispersed and entered into sedition by the interferences of the Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Iran, and subtle countries, such as the US, UK, France, Russia and Turkey.
The United Arab Emirates has been promising the South Yemen people to get back their country. KSA has been promising to protect Yemenis from Huthies, and Iran vowed Houteis to have the power in Sana'a and around.

That means you were divided. Why didn't you settle your disagreements instead of listening to promises from other countries? Probably because each side wanted to defeat the other side and not to find a compromise.
A cooperator
Posted: Saturday, November 3, 2018 1:15:32 PM

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Y111 wrote:
A cooperator wrote:
We cannot fix our internal affairs because Yemenis have been dispersed and entered into sedition by the interferences of the Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Iran, and subtle countries, such as the US, UK, France, Russia and Turkey.
The United Arab Emirates has been promising the South Yemen people to get back their country. KSA has been promising to protect Yemenis from Huthies, and Iran vowed Houteis to have the power in Sana'a and around.

That means you were divided. Why didn't you settle your disagreements instead of listening to promises from other countries? Probably because each side wanted to defeat the other side and not to find a compromise.


First of all, a special thanks to you as well as Kiril. You're the only two ones who tried sharing their impartial political experiments with me here. That helped me, at least, to see you have been ready to offer any help to make the Yemeni crises see the light of peace.

Secondly, yes, we're divided to five groups, really. Those are as follows:
1- people following the president Abduraboh and What KSA and UAE say.

2- the people(most of them in South Yemen) believing UAE will give them the South Yemen back are #2.

3- this group called Al-Aslah party, like "Brotherhood group" in Egypt, who have first cast the first chaos stone in 2011. Neither do they believe or follow the temporary president Abduraboh, nor do they believe or follow Huthies, UAE and KSA. Those are religion people, like "Brotherhood party" in Egypt, who have been hated by the UAE, KSA, US, and the UK. I DON'T KNOW HOW RUSSIA THINK ABOUT THOSE ONES.
4- other people subordinating to the concepts of Iran are Houthis.

5- the final few people are terrorists who can do bad things for anyone on this universe in return money.

Now, you ask me why we have been listening to other countries instead of fixing ours disagreements by ourselves.
The reason is:

Group#2 do think of only get their independence of South Yemen having been promised by the UAE.

Group #1 & 3 seems to be agreeing to get group #4 surrender the occupied states,
I, myself, also say that, and come back to be Yemenis loyal only for Yemen.
Group #1 & 3 insisted on saying groupb #4 must surrender the occupied government system in the occupied states to legal goverment.
However, Group #4 also insisted on saying to them first expel KSA and UAE forces out of the other Yemeni states.
Group #1, 2, and 3 now have been afraid if they had expelled the KSA, and UAE, then group 4 might have gotten back on what they promised. And instead of surrendering the occupied states, they would occupy the rest others.


Now, aside from whoever supports KSA, UAE, Huthies, who have first cast the first chaos stone in Yemen in 2011, which honestly peace-loving countries could guarantee us that they will force Houthis to surrender the occupied states of the goverment, and KSA and UAE to get out of Yemen? If any sides are going to go back on what was promised and come back to the disagreements, then those guaranteeing countries will be isolating them both economically and politically, regardless of what the UN, US, and UK would say.

I doubt ever if any countries could have been brave enough to say to the UN, UK, US, KSA, UAE, and Iran go out of Yemeni affairs. Since then, they will try to make Yemenis' crises fixed.

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Tyoma
Posted: Sunday, November 4, 2018 1:59:14 AM
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Tyoma wrote:
Kirill Vorobyov wrote:
What people regret is losing territories.

What you just said clearly shows that the inhabitants of the former federal state of Russia of the former USSR consider the rest fourteen federal states their own territories.

Hello?
Does the silence mean consent?

Y111
Posted: Sunday, November 4, 2018 5:03:52 AM
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A cooperator wrote:
I doubt ever if any countries could have been brave enough to say to the UN, UK, US, KSA, UAE, and Iran go out of Yemeni affairs.

Not only brave, but also strong. To confront a bunch of countries, among which are the US and the UK, and also the UN (?) (which means the whole world?). I wonder why those fearless countries would want to sacrifice their own well-being to that of Yemen. That seems a bit unrealistic.
A cooperator
Posted: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:31:53 AM

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Y111 wrote:
A cooperator wrote:
I doubt ever if any countries could have been brave enough to say to the UN, UK, US, KSA, UAE, and Iran go out of Yemeni affairs.

Not only brave, but also strong. To confront a bunch of countries, among which are the US and the UK, and also the UN (?) (which means the whole world?). I wonder why those fearless countries would want to sacrifice their own well-being to that of Yemen. That seems a bit unrealistic.


North Korea, Japan, China, Germany, Russia and Turkey are not strong enough to confront that bunch of countries, among which the US, UK, and UN are.

I think there is no luxury Yemenis have. Of all of these countries, the UK, US, Iran, KSA and UAE, only two, along with their own UN, have been directing the others fearing of losing their own interests in Yemen.



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Hope123
Posted: Sunday, November 4, 2018 1:14:17 PM

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I would never be able to understand all the different "tribal" (in a worldly sense) players in the Yemeni war but do understand suffering.

Here is Chrystia Freeland's recent tweet. She is minister of foreign affairs for Canada and just negotiated a good NAFTA deal for Canada against all odds.

Canada calls for an immediate ceasefire in #Yemen. We deplore the humanitarian disaster and demand immediate access for lifesaving food and aid.

Her previous tweet to Saudi Arabia about releasing Canadians and the Saudi human rights policies got an overreaction by the Saudi prince and pretty costly financial sanctions against Canada. And many Canadians mad at her but she didn't back down. Canadians are calling for the present govt to cancel sales of vehicles to the Saudis. The deal was made by a previous govt and it is hard to undo a deal. They say there is no proof the vehicles were used in war, but who knows.

Anyhow, tiny Canada and Chrystia Freeland need some backup.



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A cooperator
Posted: Monday, November 5, 2018 7:23:35 PM

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Hope123 wrote:
I would never be able to understand all the different "tribal" (in a worldly sense) players in the Yemeni war but do understand suffering.

Here is Chrystia Freeland's recent tweet. She is minister of foreign affairs for Canada and just negotiated a good NAFTA deal for Canada against all odds.

Canada calls for an immediate ceasefire in #Yemen. We deplore the humanitarian disaster and demand immediate access for lifesaving food and aid.

Her previous tweet to Saudi Arabia about releasing Canadians and the Saudi human rights policies got an overreaction by the Saudi prince and pretty costly financial sanctions against Canada. And many Canadians mad at her but she didn't back down. Canadians are calling for the present govt to cancel sales of vehicles to the Saudis. The deal was made by a previous govt and it is hard to undo a deal. They say there is no proof the vehicles were used in war, but who knows.

Anyhow, tiny Canada and Chrystia Freeland need some backup.



First of all, special welcome to the brave call of Canada to an immediate ceasefire in #Yemen. Though it is a very late ceasefire call. An initiative will be added to peace history for Canada.

Secondly, the (tribal), or political players have been as follows:
1- those against Houthis, who have been the rebels anti Yemen govt, are the South Yemen, people calling for the independence of South Yemen, and the rest of Yemenis who are calling to get over Houthis, but support the Yemeni Unit.
2- Houthis, who have been the rebels anti Yemen govt.
The political scene, I reckon, would be now clear to you.


Thirdly, hmm! Canada is tiny! It is a figurative expression, which means it is so giant that Saudis' lies could hardly be passed over it.
You've got to be kidding! You, who have been making rockets, bombs, vehicles, etc. since so long, have been afraid of pretty costly financial sanctions to be done by so weak countries, such as KSA, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, etc, which even cannot make a bicycle although they've been thought to have the largest source of oil in the world.

However, Yemen, the only one, has the largest source of oil in the world, and KSA, and UAE have been here loyal for the USA and UK to steal this oil.

According to the terms of the agreement in 2000, Riyadh would be satisfied in return for financial grants to Yemeni officials and to elders who stood behind the agreement. But then Houthis (supported by Tehran as an influential player in Yemeni affairs) appeared on the scene to ruin the deal.

Yemen has the largest source of oil in the world, of which a section ( in a small area at a depth of 1800 meters) spans Saudi Arabia. The oil wells above which Yemen sites are located in some vital spots, such as the area between AL- Jawf, Marib and The Empty Quarter desert. This explains the accelerating of Saudi Arabian attempts to control these areas against Yemeni insistence without demarcating the border in these areas, and the sufficiency of demarcating of the border in the western desert. An oil expert in Yemen said the production of the AL- Jawf field, which is 5 million barrels per day, is being withdrawn in a horizontal manner to Saudi territory.

We no longer trust the UN, UK, and USA, who have been supporting the KSA, and UAE in Yemen war, and the subtle countries behind Houthis(the rebels anti Yemen govt.), Russia and Iran, and also somehow the US!(supposed to be only with KSA). Also, some other countries, such as Turkey and France who have been standing by and let them treat us(Yemenis) like that.


We request, this time, calls to an immediate ceasefire in #Yemen from North Korea, China, Japan, and Germany.


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Hope123
Posted: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 1:21:12 AM

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It is a civil war. And there have been many calls from several sources around the world for ceasefire and actual ceasefires that didn't last since 2015. Now as well as Canada the US and the UK are calling for one.

But previous rounds of talks have failed, and thus far neither side shows any sign of backing down. So what good do demands for ceasefires do when the players refuse to stop playing?

What do you suggest other countries do?

BTW, thanks for the (backhand) acceptance of support.


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Posted: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 4:32:24 AM

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Hope123 wrote:
It is a civil war. And there have been many calls from several sources around the world for ceasefire and actual ceasefires that didn't last since 2015. Now as well as Canada the US and the UK are calling for one.

But previous rounds of talks have failed, and thus far neither side shows any sign of backing down. So what good do demands for ceasefires do when the players refuse to stop playing?

What do you suggest other countries do?

BTW, thanks for the (backhand) acceptance of support.


An religious talk saying: a believer isn't normally bitten from a burrow twice. That is, a wise person cannot get themselves be deceived twice from the same sides.

So, we couldn't trust those countries which were in a peace initiative in the Yemeni case since 2012. Though we should be kind to people that we have been bitten through.

Thing first thing is any impartial countries(not having any self-interests in Yemen), which can be overseeing the actions to be done as below, would be welcomed.
The cations should be done to solve the Yemeni crisis forever are as follows:
you can simply stop Iran and all of its supports from interfering to support Houthis.
Also, you can simply order the KSA and UAE to withdraw their forces and never involve again in the Yemeni case.
So, Yemenis-to-Yemenis will sit on the table to negotiate to the following:
1- the corrupters (Houthis) should withdraw from Sana'a and around, and surrender it. After that, they can participate in the election as Yemenis loyal for only Yemen, like the other rest of Yemenis.

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Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 4:37:33 AM

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Tyoma wrote:
Kirill Vorobyov wrote:
What people regret is losing territories.

What you just said clearly shows that the inhabitants of the former federal state of Russia of the former USSR consider the rest fourteen federal states their own territories.

This is your own re-wording, I never said this.


Kirill Vorobyov wrote:
What people regret is losing territories, especially those populated by ethnic Russians.

In 2002, about three million ethnic Ukrainians lived in Russia. Should Ukrainians start regretting losing territories in the Russian Federation?

They not only should, many of them do. Even now many Ukrainians do regret they have ceased being part of a much greater country and confined within borders of independent Ukraine alone. And this is despite prolonged and intense brain-washining, and it is very clear who's been behind this all along, Tyoma, or whatever your real name is.


Kirill Vorobyov wrote:
What people regret is … losing connection with relatives, friends, etc.

Why should they lose connection? Have trains, planes or buses stopped moving? You only need to have a visa to travel to Estonia. And before your invasion to Ukraine, you could travel there only producing your internal ID. Even now you don’t need to have a visa to go to Ukraine.

There's a difference between travelling abroad and living in one country. In fact, residents of the Russian Federation have been more lucky than others, I feel much worse for those who've been left out.

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Posted: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 5:02:32 AM

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Romany wrote:

And though it has completely de-railed the thread, it certainly can be said to be pertinant to the concept of nationalism!


That's correct, so far nations have proven to be the only organized structures that have favored and ensured development of the human civilization, and this is something important for me.

Another historical trend is that bigger nations tend to do better in this sense than smaller ones for obvious reasons - bigger market, more diverse mix of narual and human resources, cheaper logistics due to uninterrupted transport infrastructure, lower incremental costs of contract enforcement and law enforcement, free financial flows and lower cost of financial transactions, possibility to develop capital intensive areas with very long horizons of planning and profitability (fundamental science, education), etc.

Among negative experience to learn from, I would point out that although healthy competition is good for everyone, it should not cross certain lines after which it becomes destructive for everyone.

So for example when the British Empire was among those who helped bolsheviks and other "revolutionary forces" to destroy Russia in the beginning of the 20th century, those gentlemen may have thought they were very smart by playing with devil to remove a competitor. But now see where we all are 100 years after, and Britain in particular.

It is one thing when two shops compete with each other, and quite another thing when one of the shopkeepers pays maney to rogues to burn the other shop down. Because the rogues won't stop there, they are encouraged and strengthened by the prey and go further.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 8:58:49 AM

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Cooperator wrote:
you can simply stop Iran and all of its supports from interfering to support Houthis.
Also, you can simply order the KSA and UAE to withdraw their forces and never involve again in the Yemeni case.

Yes, the world could "simply" order them to do that. And they could simply refuse.


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Posted: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 1:32:33 PM

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Hope123 wrote:
Cooperator wrote:
you can simply stop Iran and all of its supports from interfering to support Houthis.
Also, you can simply order the KSA and UAE to withdraw their forces and never involve again in the Yemeni case.

Yes, the world could "simply" order them to do that. And they could simply refuse.


First of all, by this concept of yours, then Iran, KSA, and UAE can kill and interfere in others' affairs as much as they can.

If they were bombing and interfering in any other Western country, were ordered to stop and leave, then they would also have refused. Or the rejection is only in case of Yemen.

If they had refused, you'd know, at least, what you could do since then.
You can isolate them both economically and politically. They are just three countries, Iran, UAE, and KSA, who have been fighting over sea passages through which each would like to secure their oil- transferring ways to the USA,UK, etc.
Believe me, I will speak in logic, and away from religious concepts, they, along with each group of their strong allies, will result in being entered into a 3-rd world war. As you know during the past two world wars passed, each strong country was supporting another one until they were divided to two groups of strong countries fighting one another.
However nowadays with the state-of-the-art technologies, if a 3rd world war had been done, the universe would have been poisoned through very modern nuclear weapons.

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Posted: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 8:36:29 PM

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A Cooperator Wrote:

First of all, by this concept of yours, then Iran, KSA, and UAE can kill and interfere in others' affairs as much as they can.

My statement in no way said that. It said that it is not something that can be done by simply ordering somebody to do something as you suggested. It is an intractable problem needing many solutions. Diplomacy, sanctions, and humanitarian aid come to mind. Canada is trying to go back to her peacekeeping missions istead of helping in war. And yes, nuclear war would be the true definition of a catastrophe for humans.

:::

Nature's crises are cruel to humans and war is even more cruel because it is preventable. Photos of starving and injured children, no matter where, are extremely sad. Adult photos and statistics too. It is outrageous that humans are basically warmongers killing people, and destroying the infrastructure.

Yet there are 16 ongoing Civil Wars right now, including Yemen.

https://interactive.unocha.org/publication/globalhumanitarianoverview/

I know it doesn't help you to know that others are just a bad off but it may help you to understand that help has to be spread around. Above is a link for a website showing how much aid is required for all the humanitarian crises in the world.

Canada has already given $65 M to Yemen. I don't have statistics for aid to Yemen from other countries. I saw that Saudi Arabia gave Yemen $200M to halt a currency crash.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/saudi-arabia-yemen-200m-halt-currency-collapse-181002094802300.html
"Last month, an attempt by the United Nations to bring the warring sides in Yemen to the table failed after the Houthi rebels did not make it to Geneva, blaming travel restrictions.
UN Special Envoy to Yemen, Martin Griffiths, said he is hopeful of a new round of talks.
Meanwhile, Yemen's foreign minister said his government is willing to recognise the Houthis as a political entity."


In 2017, Canada's foreign aid was increased by 3.7% and it was still not enough. Yet some Canadians are understandably complaining that we have Indigenous and poor here who need help at home. Trudeau has called for an investigation as to whether or not CDN vehicles sold to Saudis are being used in Yemen and whether or not to cancel a done deal with the Saudis. A majority of Canadians want no more future sales to the Saudis. We are thinking of the Yemenis. Also, the special envoy on the crisis of genocide of Rohingyas being persecuted in Myanmar says we need to spend more money there too as well as welcome refugees. And then there's Syria and all the other countries needing help. But there is only so much a country of 35 Million people can do.

The richer countries ARE trying to help those in distress, but the fighting needs to stop or nothing others can do will be enough. The UN sanctioned the Houthis in Yemen in 2015 and other countries have sanctioned them and the countries that have joined in the fighting.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/05/hits-iran-irgc-sanctions-support-yemen-houthis-180523053245629.html


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29319423

Those groups fighting to gain territory are nationalists who want their country ruled the way they want, are willing to kill for it, and are ending up destroying the country in the process.



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A cooperator
Posted: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:58:05 PM

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Hope123 wrote:
A Cooperator Wrote:

First of all, by this concept of yours, then Iran, KSA, and UAE can kill and interfere in others' affairs as much as they can.

My statement in no way said that. It said that it is not something that can be done by simply ordering somebody to do something as you suggested. It is an intractable problem needing many solutions. Diplomacy, sanctions, and humanitarian aid come to mind. Canada is trying to go back to her peacekeeping missions istead of helping in war. And yes, nuclear war would be the true definition of a catastrophe for humans.

Canada has already given $65 M to Yemen. I don't have statistics for aid to Yemen from other countries. I saw that Saudi Arabia gave Yemen $200M to halt a currency crash.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/saudi-arabia-yemen-200m-halt-currency-collapse-181002094802300.html
"Last month, an attempt by the United Nations to bring the warring sides in Yemen to the table failed after the Houthi rebels did not make it to Geneva, blaming travel restrictions.
UN Special Envoy to Yemen, Martin Griffiths, said he is hopeful of a new round of talks.
Meanwhile, Yemen's foreign minister said his government is willing to recognise the Houthis as a political entity."


In 2017, Canada's foreign aid was increased by 3.7% and it was still not enough. Yet some Canadians are understandably complaining that we have Indigenous and poor here who need help at home. Trudeau has called for an investigation as to whether or not CDN vehicles sold to Saudis are being used in Yemen and whether or not to cancel a done deal with the Saudis. A majority of Canadians want no more future sales to the Saudis. We are thinking of the Yemenis. Also, the special envoy on the crisis of genocide of Rohingyas being persecuted in Myanmar says we need to spend more money there too as well as welcome refugees. And then there's Syria and all the other countries needing help. But there is only so much a country of 35 Million people can do.


Wow! I'm so impressed by you once said that above statement.
I've even hate of hearing a child having been bullied. How about killing innocent children.

Mr Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada, I strongly suggest to continue going through the whole investigation of CDN vehicles sold to Saudis.

The new peaceful initiative of Canada, UN Special Envoy would be recorded in the history "happened in like this day"

About the financial aid given to Yemen lately by both of the Canadian and KSA Govts., I wish them to be dealt out through a monitoring group of impartial international members to guarantee distributing of the aids across Yemen fairly.

I got asking myself why Iran never ever gave any aids away to any countries, but instead of that, they spreads and sparks the seduction of war. We know it is not a rich country, but that doesn't mean it can still spread war-calling bad thoughts.


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The richer countries ARE trying to help those in distress, but the fighting needs to stop or nothing others can do will be enough. The UN sanctioned the Houthis in Yemen in 2015 and other countries have sanctioned them and the countries that have joined in the fighting.


Absolutely right.
But, what can we do, in particular as an ordinary Yemeni citizen?

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Hope123
Posted: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 4:02:09 PM

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Cooperator wrote:Absolutely right.
But, what can we do, in particular as an ordinary Yemeni citizen?


Exactly.

And exactly the point I was trying to make about what can we ordinary citizens of other countries can do except to tell our governments what we think and hope they will do the right things to help. And even then, there is not much more that can be done by the governments of outside countries.

We wish you all well and a speedy end to this misery.

The past is to be respected/acknowledged, not worshipped. It is in our future we will find our greatness. Pierre Trudeau
A cooperator
Posted: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 4:51:10 PM

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Hope123 wrote:
Cooperator wrote:Absolutely right.
But, what can we do, in particular as an ordinary Yemeni citizen?


Exactly.

And exactly the point I was trying to make about what can we ordinary citizens of other countries can do except to tell our governments what we think and hope they will do the right things to help. And even then, there is not much more that can be done by the governments of outside countries.

We wish you all well and a speedy end to this misery.


Thanks for your kind thoughts.
That is really more than enough to be done by any average citizens of their own countries.
You remind me of a very old good Scottish Facebook friend(settling in the US) of mine, having the same good thoughts always calling to the peace.
Whatever self-interests, I wish all or most of the leaders or even spokespersons of their own countries think of first in the peace, and the war in the end if we had to.
I've a lot of dreams, but the most important of which is spreading the peace all over the world.

Before the Yemeni case, the Houthis were, in the presidency of the former President of Yemen, settling in only Sa'dah. So, the Houthis can be recognised as a political entity, as the Yemen's Foreign Minister said. However, they must first, I think, surrender the organisations of the government, Sana'a, Imran, Al-Hudeidah, etc, over which they have been controlling.



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A cooperator
Posted: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 8:59:58 PM

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Hope123 wrote:


Those groups fighting to gain territory are nationalists who want their country ruled the way they want, are willing to kill for it, and are ending up destroying the country in the process.



While checking the applications for the Chevening Scholarships, almost always, in all rounds(cycles), I saw this question "Are you from an ethnic minority, tribe or indigenous community?"
Do you believe in the tribal concepts? Is this "question" above considered as nationalism?
Answering that question with Yes, or No will make difference to the Chevening Committee or not.


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Posted: Thursday, November 8, 2018 5:43:00 AM

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Hope123 wrote:
A Cooperator Wrote:Trudeau has called for an investigation as to whether or not CDN vehicles sold to Saudis are being used in Yemen and whether or not to cancel a done deal with the Saudis. A majority of Canadians want no more future sales to the Saudis. We are thinking of the Yemenis. Also, the special envoy on the crisis of genocide of Rohingyas being persecuted in Myanmar says we need to spend more money there too as well as welcome refugees. And then there's Syria and all the other countries needing help. But there is only so much a country of 35 Million people can do.


"The Spanish defense industry has come under fire for supplying weapons to Saudi Arabia because of concerns their use is causing civilian casualties in Yemen."

However, I today read new news about "Saudi Arabia in joint venture with Spain's Navantia to build navy vessels"


DUBAI (Reuters) - Saudi Arabian Military Industries (SAMI) tweeted on Wednesday that it has signed an agreement with Spanish shipbuilder Navantia to jointly manufacture five corvettes for the Saudi navy.

The deal, announced earlier this year, is the first military contract signed by the kingdom with a foreign country since the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, which caused a global outcry. (Whoever kills once will kill again and again over)

The signing ceremony was held on Tuesday in Riyadh, said the state-run Saudi Press Agency, which carried photographs of the event.

While firms defying pressure over making sanctions on the Saudi Arabia for Khashoggi case, Spain makes joint venture with Saudi Arabia.

I think a king adaptes and aligns with another king, it does not matter how much a president of the republic of a country suffers from of supplying weapons to each other.

I think if we bombed a Spanish citizen residing in Yemen or coming as a tourist with the same weapons given to KSA by Spain, or cut off his body with a chainsaw, just as Al Saud did with the body of Khashoggi, then Spain would have recognised how painful that is.

I hate being governed by a kingdom since I would be like a servant, whatever the well-being.





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