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maltliquor87
Posted: Monday, November 5, 2018 3:04:04 AM

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Hello, everyone!

Could you, please, tell me which of the following sounds natural to you? Of course, "noof" is a fictitious name used as an example. It can be replaced by any name that a speaker deems unusual for a human child.

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1) Noof is not the name you'd give to a child
2) Noof is not the kind of name you'd give to a child
3) Noof is not a name you'd give to a child
4) Noof is not a kind of name you'd give to a child


And what about another group of sentences in which I've changed "a child" to "your future child"?

Quote:
5) Noof is not the name you'd give to your future child
6) Noof is not the kind of name you'd give to your future child
7) Noof is not a name you'd give to your future child
8) Noof is not a kind of name you'd give to your future child
thar
Posted: Monday, November 5, 2018 4:14:24 AM

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maltliquor87 wrote:
Hello, everyone!

Could you, please, tell me which of the following sounds natural to you? Of course, "noof" is a fictitious name used as an example. It can be replaced by any name that a speaker deems unusual for a human child.

Quote:
1) Noof is not the name you'd give to a child
Yes, because 'the' is specified.
2) Noof is not the kind of name you'd give to a child
yes.As in 1.
3) Noof is not a name you'd give to a child
Yes, because here it is not specified, it is just a name - but that is fine.
4) Noof is not a kind of name you'd give to a child

No, because 'noof' is a kind of name. Like an apple is a kind of fruit. So this sentence doesn't work, because 'the' [edit, sorry, I meant 'a kind of'] refers to something different and the meaning is changed.
And what about another group of sentences in which I've changed "a child" to "your future child"?

Quote:
5) Noof is not the name you'd give to your future child
6) Noof is not the kind of name you'd give to your future child
7) Noof is not a name you'd give to your future child
yes, all are fine. The article is fine for the same reasons as the first set. And 'would give' (if you had one) is fine. Except miss out the 'to'. You give someone a name. This is the name you give your child. (That is true for all of these, the only difference is that I only just noticed it.)
8) Noof is not a kind of name you'd give to your future child
No, as in 4

maltliquor87
Posted: Monday, November 5, 2018 5:23:07 AM

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Thanks, Thar!
NKM
Posted: Monday, November 5, 2018 12:35:07 PM

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I seldom disagree with Thar, but "not the name" and "not a kind of name" seem to me considerably less natural than the other choices.

Sarrriesfan
Posted: Monday, November 5, 2018 1:01:25 PM

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NKM wrote:
I seldom disagree with Thar, but "not the name" and "not a kind of name" seem to me considerably less natural than the other choices.



It may be a BrE/AmE thing I find "the name" to be fine.

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Romany
Posted: Monday, November 5, 2018 2:23:18 PM
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Yes, it must be. When you think about it, it's rather hard to justify.
Nevertheless it is common usage.
coag
Posted: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 2:01:50 AM

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What about the following examples (COCA, my emphasis added)? Is the use of "a kind of" incorrect in these examples?

1) One must also remember that what African journalists are being asked to do (i. e. cover in great detail all kinds of technical topics related to economic development) is not a kind of journalism seen frequently in the Western press either.

2) He became president, of course, when Roosevelt died. Not long after his reelection in 1945 - it was in the spring of 1945 - and Harry Truman was not a kind of guy would think that civil rights leaders would have been exactly excited about.

3) For the Church, charity is not a kind of welfare activity which could equally well be left to others, but is a part of her nature, an indispensable expression of her very being.
NKM
Posted: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 3:39:45 PM

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coag wrote:
What about the following examples (COCA, my emphasis added)? Is the use of "a kind of" incorrect in these examples?

1) One must also remember that what African journalists are being asked to do (i. e. cover in great detail all kinds of technical topics related to economic development) is not a kind of journalism seen frequently in the Western press either.

2) He became president, of course, when Roosevelt died. Not long after his reelection in 1945 - it was in the spring of 1945 - and Harry Truman was not a kind of guy would think that civil rights leaders would have been exactly excited about.

3) For the Church, charity is not a kind of welfare activity which could equally well be left to others, but is a part of her nature, an indispensable expression of her very being.


(1) and (3) are fine.

In (2), the phrase "would think" seems extraneous, and presumably is a typo. Allowing for that, the sentence makes sense — but I'd much prefer "the kind" over "a kind" for this use.


coag
Posted: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 2:31:54 AM

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Thank you very much for your response, NKM.
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