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ullas84
Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 2:33:22 AM
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İt is possible to make a sentence, in which ''Advise'' is used as a verb, negative by either way with ''against'' or ''not to''.

Which one is mostly preferred by native speakers?

A)I'd advise you against saying anything to the press.

B)I'd advise you not to say anything to the press.

Which one is more natural?
Romany
Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 5:13:42 AM
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Both are common ways of expressing the same idea, however the first one is more of a suggestion or literal advice. The second is more of a demand.
ullas84
Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 5:16:47 AM
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Thanks for your reply
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Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 10:34:44 AM
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"Which one is mostly preferred by native speakers?"

You don't say "mostly preferred", but just "preferred".
Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Thursday, November 1, 2018 5:10:40 AM

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Romany wrote:

The second is more of a demand.

Think
I advise you not to miss that meeting.

Can it be turned into (almost) a command by using subjunctive? E.g. -

I advise you be there.

Meaning, you better come, or else...
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Romany
Posted: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:36:51 AM
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Kirill - yes, you could say it either way. But language also depends upon body language and tone. In either sentence both of these would signal how it was meant, along with the relationship between both speakers. So the WAY it was said would determine whether one was being ordered or truly advised.
Kirill Vorobyov
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Romany wrote:

Kirill - yes, you could say it either way. But language also depends upon body language and tone. In either sentence both of these would signal how it was meant, along with the relationship between both speakers. So the WAY it was said would determine whether one was being ordered or truly advised.


Romany, thank you.

I see your point about the body language and tone, and I guess I can amend my question this way:

(i) Is the use of subjunctive in I advise you be there grammatical?
and
(ii) Doesn't the subjunctive itself suggest the phrase is meant as a command, regardless of the tone?

Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Friday, November 2, 2018 7:32:53 AM

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Hi!
Not to 'take over' from Romany, but to give my opinion. I'm sure she'll let you know if I say anything wrong . . . Anxious

I think that it would be grammatically correct, but rather unusual, to use that subjunctive form.
The subjunctive is not very popular these days.

I don't think you can really say that the subjunctive suggests a command, because it is used for suggestions and requests too.

Quote:
We most commonly use the subjunctive mood to express desires or wishes; to express commands, suggestions, requests, or statements of necessity; or to describe hypothetical outcomes that depend on certain conditions
. Farlex Grammar

Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
Kirill Vorobyov
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Thank you, Drago!

Then I think I can see why it is not used often. Why use it if it doesn't really modify the meaning? If I understand you correctly,
I advise you be there = I advise you to be there

If there's no difference people probably tend to use a more universal formula.
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Posted: Friday, November 2, 2018 7:44:06 AM

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Yes.
And probably even more often, people would use the short modal form - "You should be there."

Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
Romany
Posted: Friday, November 2, 2018 12:46:56 PM
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Drago - thank you for taking over the class while I was away!Whistle

Kirill,

I think Drago has learnt over the years how anarchic I feel about straight-out grammar points and does a much better job in that department than I.Dancing
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Friday, November 2, 2018 1:27:29 PM

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But you can't be an anarchist and a socialist, can you?


Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
RuthP
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Drag0nspeaker wrote:

But you can't be an anarchist and a socialist, can you?

So funny you would say this. When I was in college and sitting around in those endless BS sessions where we would be trying to figure out how to run the world, I always said than in an ideal world, I would be an anarchist, but practically speaking, I am a socialist.
Romany
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Ruth -

Applause Applause Welcome to my world?Whistle
RuthP
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Romany wrote:

Ruth -

Applause Applause Welcome to my world?Whistle

So nice to know I'm not alone!
Drag0nspeaker
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Ha! In an IDEAL WORLD, I can see it. Applause

There are no laws (anarchy) because everyone is so sane that they all (no exceptions) work for the good of all (including, of course, themselves and their families). No-one relies on others when they can work themselves (taking advantage of welfare) but the less able are voluntarily helped by all. No capitalist (proper definition - one who makes money by manipulating capital without producing anything usable) preys on weaker or less privileged people.
Anarchistic Socialism.

However, I would advise that you don't promote yourself as a Socialist Anarchist at your local Republican convention!

Kirill - that above is another way to make an advice negative.

C) I'd advise that you don't say anything to the press.

Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
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