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prince
Posted: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:21:45 AM
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I haven't had my breakfast today.
or
I hadn't had my breakfast today.



second example.

I haven't had a second opinion on it

or

I hadn't had a second opinion on it.

What is the difference haven't/ hadn't had.

Kindly exaplain.

Thank you
Prince
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:49:26 AM

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Hi Prince!

"Have had" (and it's negative 'haven't had') are used when the 'having' continued from some time in the past until now - the 'time view-point' is NOW.

"I haven't had my breakfast today." - Between the beginning of today and NOW, I have not had a breakfast.

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"Had had" (and its negative "hadn't had") are use when the 'having' continued (or didn't continue) from one point in the past to another point in the past.
The 'time view-point' is some named time in the past.

NOW it is half past four in the afternoon.
"At eleven this morning, I hadn't had my breakfast." - between the start of today and eleven-o'-clock, I did not eat breakfast.

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"I hadn't had my breakfast today" and "I hadn't had a second opinion on it" do not make sense, because there is no past time named.

Sometimes, it can be "understood and omitted" if both the speaker and the listener know from context which time is being used.

"Why didn't you get treatment last week?"
"I hadn't had a second opinion on it
(last week)."



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Elissar Hannah
Posted: Saturday, October 28, 2017 2:33:13 AM

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More examples would help more to understand.
Thank you
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Saturday, October 28, 2017 9:04:37 PM

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Elissar Hannah wrote:
More examples would help more to understand.
Thank you

Hello Hannah and welcome to the forum.
I will make some more examples.

Looking at the situation from NOW:
I have had three holidays in London.

Looking at it from a time in the past:
When I met John in 1994, I had had three holidays in London.

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NOW.
I have had two jobs.

Past.
When I came to live in Edinburgh in 2010, I had had two jobs.

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NOW.
I haven't had a holiday this year.

Past.
When he invited me to visit him (in June), I hadn't had a holiday this year - so I went to see him for a week.






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koshwe wintint
Posted: Friday, September 14, 2018 11:01:06 AM

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