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Hope123
Posted: Saturday, June 30, 2018 3:15:22 PM

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Michael Avenatti just tweeted this - Good for him! (The photo and comment were from someone who was on the thread.)

Working with whistleblowers and others, we have obtained information that should enable us to identify and help reunite over 590 children with their parents. Children need to be reunited with their parents NOW. We will not rest until this job is done. #FightClub #Basta

Basta means enough. He's trying to end the toddler trials.

Imagine. Toddler trials! What has the US come to?







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Posted: Saturday, June 30, 2018 6:03:15 PM

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philips daughter wrote:
However with the gerrymandered state of Texas it is almost useless to vote. I fear it is forty years too late. You hear FD.


Gerrymandering is getting more attention though, which is a good thing. Several states are trying to fix it. This is something that can't be fixed at the Federal level.

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Posted: Saturday, June 30, 2018 6:04:52 PM

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Hope, the attention that the separated families are getting is a good sign. Even better is the fact that it doesn't look like something that will be forgotten anytime soon.

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Posted: Saturday, June 30, 2018 7:17:35 PM

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Proggy, there was a concert at 5 p.m. today to raise money to help the migrants and people all over the US and Canada are marching in protest of separation of kids. I saw a map of the US showing locations of marches - and I do mean all over the US.

There are many good people - makes one feel a bit better about humankind as one begins to see only the negativity of heartless creatures after a while.

I'm sure Avenatti is working pro bono and there are other lawyers trying to get the kids reunited with family. They've all promised not to quit until the families are all back together. Some videos of those being reunited are stirring.

(Digression - I just saw this and am still laughing. Here's what I tweeted in reply: "No way Trump wrote that. Too many big words and look at spelling "Honourable" with a "u". LOL - condemnation of autocratic regimes - do you think maybe his staff took a poke at him? It would go over his head even if he saw it.")

It also went to the Queen's representative and not to Trudeau. lol




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progpen
Posted: Sunday, July 1, 2018 8:05:07 AM

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Well, that's one thing. You can always tell when his handlers have him sedated so they can get some work done. Whistle Whistle Whistle

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Posted: Sunday, July 1, 2018 11:54:48 AM

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Have you read about the abolish ICE movement? This weekend is the first for me to hear it. I think that is stupid. I don’t want open borders. What I want is an immigration bill that is fully debated and all sides get represented. The republicans can’t even agree among themselves with out any democrat input. I’m not even a democrat really. If we went socialist democrat it would fulfill my lifetime goal for my country. I feel like I’ve come out!
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Posted: Sunday, July 1, 2018 4:11:20 PM

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PD,

I heard that ICE was only formed not that many years ago. So what was the system used before that? Is that what they want to do? Go back to that?

Democrats are refuting the rumour that Trump started that they want open borders. Only an idiot would want open borders!

Canada vets all the refugees, asylum seekers, snd immigrants extremely well, and chooses those they think will fit into Canada's society, contribute to our culture, and boost the economy. But we take all kinds of workers and cultures and colours, not just professionals or whites.

I don't see why the US thinks they have to accept everybody, no matter the qualities. Some things just need to be updated for the times we live in.

Asylum seekers of course are in a different category and are vetted as such.

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Hope123
Posted: Monday, July 2, 2018 12:34:46 PM

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A Mexican grandmother whose husband, son, daughter-in-law, and three grandchildren have been killed by the cartel, entered the USA legally with documents at a port of entry on a Wed. She knew about the separation policy but weighed the dangers and decided it was better to at least keep her granddaughter alive.

Then Trump issued his order that there would be no separation.

On the Friday, two days after they were escorted in, after the order by Trump, they took her granddaughter. She has no idea where she is.

Unbelievable. Makes me mad.

She has not broken ANY law yet loses her precious child. How many more are like that? Bet FD does not respond to this post. He has no rebuttal.

And it gets worse -

https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/amna-nawaz-talks-her-reporting-from-the-border-1268448835961



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philips daughter wrote:
Have you read about the abolish ICE movement? This weekend is the first for me to hear it. I think that is stupid. I don’t want open borders. What I want is an immigration bill that is fully debated and all sides get represented. The republicans can’t even agree among themselves with out any democrat input. I’m not even a democrat really. If we went socialist democrat it would fulfill my lifetime goal for my country. I feel like I’ve come out!


I'm not a Democrat either but even I have noticed that the Republican party leaders desperately need the Democratic party. Not to work with or cooperate with (let's get real), but to blame their mistakes on and point at when they aren't able to get their own party in line.

Abolishing ICE makes sense because it was not needed in the first place and just added bureaucracy and inefficiency to the customs and immigration systems. However, ICE will not go anywhere because the Republicans are using it as a political symbol. Once immigration law has been fixed by any adults left in the room, then ICE will fade away and never be mentioned again.


Edit:
The Republican party is trying to create the message that "no ICE = open borders". It makes about as much sense as any of the other political rhetoric oozing from that gangrenous gaggle of gits.

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Posted: Monday, July 2, 2018 5:21:33 PM

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Proggy, thanks for that information. I did some reading on it. ICE is an agency under the Homeland Security umbrella which was an overreaching move by Bush. I don’t even think it was intended to be permanent. This takeover of the government by the right-wing has been carefully planned, IMO. I know that's an inflammatory and unprovable statement. But things I never thought would happen have. I grew up with a deep distrust of the FBI and Hoover and now I am counting on Mueller and the FBI to uncover Trump’s lies. It makes me dizzy or it’s the African Dust blowing over?
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Hope123,

Please, please, please tell me, what is Canada doing to help the world deal with NoKo? Anxiously awaiting your response.





Hope123 wrote:
My post is copied from another thread that decries Trump's acceptance of a country such as North Korea - because of its inhumanity. I would especially like comments from Trump supporters so I put it into a thread so that all might see it.
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United States - a country where recently international law is being broken because little children are ripped from their asylum-seeking parents' arms while American Congress dithers in fear of the man who is using those children as pawns in a deadly "game" to get a wall. Have you ever seen the fear on the face of a two-year who has lost their parents at a mall? It is no game to these people. It is their lives. These are NOT ILLEGALS. They are asylum seekers. The children are being put into tents in a hot climate with high temperatures in the summer.

Separating families, along with Guantanamo, torture, lies, astigmatizing of the press, implying a call to kill a political opponent or even just to try to "lock her up" when the justice department says she did nothing more than he and his cronies and even the FBI head did himself, or for the desire of that man to be "president for life - need I go on? - the US is becoming more like NK every day.

Congress fiddles while one man lights a new fire every day in order to get his own way and to further his wealth and that of his family.

It looks as if the legal department is the only one to try to stop this nonsense and him. There is outrage about this practice of separating familes by many people who watch the news besides Fox (that condones it).

Lawyers such as Michael Avenatti are weighing in. Canadians are urging their government to take the momentous step of sending back from Canada the US-ambassador-to-Canada.

So sad what one person can do to a country in a ittle over a year, cheered on by supporters as he rides on the sleeve of the economic policies of a former president, all the while removing changes that were placed to prevent 2008 all over again. And changes to take the country backward in all areas.

http://forum.thefreedictionary.com/postst183068_tRump.aspx?find=unread
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Posted: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 2:42:36 PM

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Hope, "heartless"? You have no freaking clue as to what the President has done on a positive note. Your type of hit and run accusations are a drag. Marches? Go down and donate your time or money. Alas, typing nor talking cook the rice. I sure hope your daily insults do not accurately demonstrate your true character. This is really getting old. I believed you to be a nice, decent person, but this negativity is just too much.

I could have for 8 years criticized oblama, but I didn't. I won't. His special kind of "strategic patience" towards NoKo was a "heartless" policy. And I will wager a bet, you were somehow okay with that.

Just venting.


Hope123 wrote:
Proggy, there was a concert at 5 p.m. today to raise money to help the migrants and people all over the US and Canada are marching in protest of separation of kids. I saw a map of the US showing locations of marches - and I do mean all over the US.

There are many good people - makes one feel a bit better about humankind as one begins to see only the negativity of heartless creatures after a while.

I'm sure Avenatti is working pro bono and there are other lawyers trying to get the kids reunited with family. They've all promised not to quit until the families are all back together. Some videos of those being reunited are stirring.

(Digression - I just saw this and am still laughing. Here's what I tweeted in reply: "No way Trump wrote that. Too many big words and look at spelling "Honourable" with a "u". LOL - condemnation of autocratic regimes - do you think maybe his staff took a poke at him? It would go over his head even if he saw it.")

It also went to the Queen's representative and not to Trudeau. lol


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Buzzito wrote:
Hope123,
Please, please, please tell me, what is Canada doing to help the world deal with NoKo?

NoKo - A magical word that, when typed in the email field of a chan post form before posting, returns you directly to the thread you just posted in instead of the thread list.
Urban Dictionary

Noko is an English multi-instrumentalist musician, composer and producer, has formed and/or played with a number of bands primarily as a guitarist or bassist.
Wikipedia

Definition of Noko
: ngoko

Merriam-Webster Unabridged Dictionary.

Which one did you mean?


Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
Hope123
Posted: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 12:30:42 AM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
Buzzito wrote:
Hope123,
Please, please, please tell me, what is Canada doing to help the world deal with NoKo?

NoKo - A magical word that, when typed in the email field of a chan post form before posting, returns you directly to the thread you just posted in instead of the thread list.
Urban Dictionary

Noko is an English multi-instrumentalist musician, composer and producer, has formed and/or played with a number of bands primarily as a guitarist or bassist.
Wikipedia

Definition of Noko
: ngoko

Merriam-Webster Unabridged Dictionary.

Which one did you mean?


LOL, Drago. A good one! You posted this while I wrote.

Response to a digression meant to distract from the criticism of separation of families at borders:

Right now Canada knew enough to stay out of a pissing contest between two and not call their leader "Rocket Man".

When the war broke out between North and South Korea in 1950, Canada sent 26,971 military personnel to Korea as part of United Nations Command, the third largest contingent behind the United States and the United Kingdom; 516 Canadians died in the war.

Full diplomatic relations with N Korea were suspended by Canada in 2010 and replaced by a Controlled Engagement Policy limiting official bilateral contact to specific topics. CDN citizens are not encouraged to travel there but Sweden helps any who do.

Canada tries through diplomacy and has always had a role in peacekeeping, rather than in creating wars. But she has always joined in - right at the beginning - to help her allies in world wars and others that needed to be fought.

All Trump did was to legitimize Jong Un who is still going forward with nuclear weapons.


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Hope123
Posted: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 12:42:25 AM

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Photo is of RCMP helping refugees into Canada at the US border. And Canada has heart, only rarely separating families if there is a safety issue in a particular case.

Welcome back Buzzito.

I had mentioned earlier that you would be pleased to learn, if you didn't already know, that asylum refugees do not count towards the immigration line your relative is in.

That's going to cost a lot of money for the people of Canada," said Donald John Trump.

Yet you seem upset that Canadians do not believe that Trump wrote the nice Canada Day congratulatory note when he is still publicly ad hominem name-calling our Prime Minister on Twitter. Sending such a note while saying nasty untrue things at rallies and on Twitter about Canada and Trudeau is the height of hypocrisy and two-facedness.

Trudeau has always been civil to Trump, trying to work with him. But Trump has promised that the average Canadian is going to pay because he feels a personal slight that Trudeau said we will issue retaliatory tariffs and had said many times long before the G7 that we will not be pushed around by the US. Nice for a country ten times in strength to do that to a smaller country. I think that is the definition of a bully.

Please note the word "retaliatory" because of the humongous tariffs on steel, aluminum, softwood, and soon, autos. What country does not fight back?

Trump is vindictively trying to ruin Canada. And now Canada has purposely targeted the products to hurt the areas of Trump supporters. They took effect July 1st. Everybody is going to pay more for everything and jobs will be lost in both countries in a trade war started by Trump.

Trump admitted he made up figures and still lies about a trade deficit when there is actually a surplus in favour of the US. Canada lost jobs to Mexico as well because of the difference in labour remuneration in Mexico. As well, China may be a problem, but Canada is not.

To sum up - correct me if I am wrong. From your attacks you must condone what I was criticizing in this thread - separating children from family, maybe forever, when they came as asylum seekers, some even entering legally at ports of entry. You do not find that heartless. Put yourself in their shoes. They are humans. How would you feel if a government took your kids away because you committed a misdemeanor? Secondly, you must condone Trump's treatment of your number one trading partner, Canada.

BTW, my knowledge about all the changes made by Trump is not hit and miss. I see them as negative and vindictively trying to undo everything Obama did.

And you believe offence is a good defence, I see. "If I can't openly say I condone Trump's "children" policy, I'll attack the critic and her country."

Well, Canada has taken in thousands of these same people and others who are finding the US is no longer a safe haven and are coming illegally to our borders through the United States. As well not long ago Canada took in approximately 1/3 of the number of refugees from overseas than the US did and you have 10 times the population. It would be nice if you did your homework before preaching to me about refugees.

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Posted: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 12:56:27 AM

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Buzzito you asked about Canada's foreign policies. I had different sources for this info and did not keep track to list them.

Canada has always prided herself on being a peacekeeping nation but went with the US into Afghanistan against the wishes of most Canadians. We were grateful earlier that Prime Minister Chretien did not include us in the disastrous war on Saddam Hussein by Bush.

40,000 Canadians fought to help the US in Afghanistan. Canada paid a heavy price for its Afghan mission. One hundred and fifty-eight soldiers, two civilians, a diplomat and a journalist were killed. More than 1,800 Canadians were wounded. The war cost Ottawa at least $18-billion – and much more if the cost of caring for veterans and their families is included. Was so much Canadian blood spilled and billions spent worth it, when Afghanistan's future remains so uncertain?

Right now Countries that previously may have looked to the United States are looking to Canada as a partner. Central and South American countries invited Canada to join the Lima Group, a multilateral group of countries formed to confront the ongoing crisis in Venezuela. There are trade talks between Canada and the European Union. And Canada and the remaining Trans-Pacific Partnership countries are working on ways to manage a rising China that seems increasingly willing to use its economic and military might to achieve its goals. The US instead is waging a trade war with them too. I wonder why China doesn't just call in all its loans to the US.

Canada’s popular foreign minister outlined the Trudeau government’s response to the new challenges to the global order with trade diversification, by increasing military spending by 70 percent over ten years, and by enhancing its independent cyber-offensive and defensive capabilities. Canada already is the sixth-highest spender in NATO. It has taken a leading role in NATO’s Operation Reassurance in Latvia, supported coalition efforts against ISIS in Iraq and Syria, made a contribution of soldiers on the ground to the ongoing U.N. peace enforcement mission in Mali, and is playing both a public and private role in trying to address the humanitarian disaster of ethnic cleansing in Myanmar, also known as Burma. All this with only 35 million people as a tax base, while the US has made the Middle East even more unstable.

The last and important kind of foreign policy of Canadians is this - Next time if some enemy flies into towers in the US, I bet Canada would still be willing, in spite of the danger and not knowing what is happening, and without question, to let US planes land and to take care of all those people for several days. Tremendous organization was required to supply all kinds of emergency shelters, food, clothing, and medical supplies that were given freely and willingly by Canadian citizens. Even now, they'd do it again for a country they are no longer sure is a friend. But that's what being neighbourly means.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/06/14/2018-diplomat-of-the-year-chrystia-freeland-read-the-transcript/

http://forum.thefreedictionary.com/postst183008_Human-Rights-Commisioner--What-we-are-destroying-is-quite-simply-the-structures-that-ensure-our-safe.aspx



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Hope,

Seriously? What homework do I need to do? You took in 1/3 of the refugees but how about the LARGER amount of land that you have that is undisturbed vs the US? We have destroyed our environment here. You can take statistics and bend them how you choose, but alas they still do not demonstrate Canada's superior immigration policy.

Thank you for the welcome back btw.

I don't know all the details, but I believe NAFTA has been disproportionately more damaging to the USA than to Canada. How many jobs did we lose here? 1 million jobs. 1,000,000 persons put out of work. Did you guys lose 1,00,00 jobs, or do you want to talk proportionality. Bottom line, that is 1,000,000 people put out of work so that products could be made cheaper elsewhere. While on vacation in 2004, a woman I met in Jim Thorpe, PA, USA told me, "We had 6 factories shut down because of NAFTA." Jim Thorpe is a small community that had little to turn to for good paying jobs.

I mentioned in my other post to you, that the asylum seekers do not directly effect my family from coming here. However, it is not going to increase numbers of immigrants allowed in the country, in the future.

Trump has suggested no tariffs world-wide. I guess that will never happen. And btw, I am sure he stays up ALL NIGHT planning on how he will destroy Canada. He shoots his mouth off, but he is doing something about the disproportionate tariffs used by other countries. Is Canada complaining effectively about China's practices? Hmmmm never seem to hear what Trudeau is doing up there .... hmmm

Hope, in some of your comments it seems you have drank the Kool-Aid. Trump, Trump, Trump. When Obama has done some of the same things Trump has done, no one complained. His delivery is not so good granted. But, maybe the rest of the world can pony up and take some immigrants, (not "a few"), stop manipulating their currency (China), and pay more to the United Nations and take car of their own issues or those of their neighbors with love and intelligence.

Again, Happy 4th of July!!!!

Buzzito


Hope123 wrote:


Photo is of RCMP helping refugees into Canada at the US border. And Canada has heart, only rarely separating families if there is a safety issue in a particular case.

Welcome back Buzzito.

I had mentioned earlier that you would be pleased to learn, if you didn't already know, that asylum refugees do not count towards the immigration line your relative is in.

That's going to cost a lot of money for the people of Canada," said Donald John Trump.

Yet you seem upset that Canadians do not believe that Trump wrote the nice Canada Day congratulatory note when he is still publicly ad hominem name-calling our Prime Minister on Twitter. Sending such a note while saying nasty untrue things at rallies and on Twitter about Canada and Trudeau is the height of hypocrisy and two-facedness.

Trudeau has always been civil to Trump, trying to work with him. But Trump has promised that the average Canadian is going to pay because he feels a personal slight that Trudeau said we will issue retaliatory tariffs and had said many times long before the G7 that we will not be pushed around by the US. Nice for a country ten times in strength to do that to a smaller country. I think that is the definition of a bully.

Please note the word "retaliatory" because of the humongous tariffs on steel, aluminum, softwood, and soon, autos. What country does not fight back?

Trump is vindictively trying to ruin Canada. And now Canada has purposely targeted the products to hurt the areas of Trump supporters. They took effect July 1st. Everybody is going to pay more for everything and jobs will be lost in both countries in a trade war started by Trump.

Trump admitted he made up figures and still lies about a trade deficit when there is actually a surplus in favour of the US. Canada lost jobs to Mexico as well because of the difference in labour remuneration in Mexico. As well, China may be a problem, but Canada is not.

To sum up - correct me if I am wrong. From your attacks you must condone what I was criticizing in this thread - separating children from family, maybe forever, when they came as asylum seekers, some even entering legally at ports of entry. You do not find that heartless. Put yourself in their shoes. They are humans. How would you feel if a government took your kids away because you committed a misdemeanor? Secondly, you must condone Trump's treatment of your number one trading partner, Canada.

BTW, my knowledge about all the changes made by Trump is not hit and miss. I see them as negative and vindictively trying to undo everything Obama did.

And you believe offence is a good defence, I see. "If I can't openly say I condone Trump's "children" policy, I'll attack the critic and her country."

Well, Canada has taken in thousands of these same people and others who are finding the US is no longer a safe haven and are coming illegally to our borders through the United States. As well not long ago Canada took in approximately 1/3 of the number of refugees from overseas than the US did and you have 10 times the population. It would be nice if you did your homework before preaching to me about refugees.
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Happy July 4th, Buzzito. Enjoy the celebrations.

I'm afraid this attack on Canada because I'm Canadian is only a red herring so as not to address the salient points about the heartless separation of children from their families. That's what this thread is about and why I criticized Trump here. You came in late. Have you read the whole thread? I believe in proper vetting and organization of safe procedures. I was not criticizing immigration policies as a whole. Every country needs limits according to its ability to help those less fortunate and zero tolerance is fine - if done properly. Besides humanity is not a partisan issue. Bringing up Obama or Hillary is just a way of saying I can't support Trump on this issue so I'll deflect.

So - Do you or do you not condone and defend this separation policy? Your feelings if it were you? Toddlers going to court on their own? Children who don't even speak the language scared s-less at being away from their parents? Parents deported without their children and no plan to reunite them? Obama did NOT do the same. He was "deporter-in-chief" but he did it humanely. That is why there was no outcry then. It was proper to deport and it was done properly with planning.

I do have time to address the digression re Canada-US relations as I have two hours with nothing to do sitting in the doctor's office getting chelation to remove toxic metals - and he supplies free WiFi. :) Anyone not interested in our digression can skip my research in my next post.

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Hope123 wrote:
Democrats are refuting the rumour that Trump started that they want open borders. Only an idiot would want open borders!


As well they should because this is little more than another bit of social media diarrhea from the Twit in Chief.

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Buzzito, that's a new one to me. Having rocky, mountainous land in Arctic air is the reason the CDN government PAYS people to settle north around Indigenous land. Besides, possession of land does not mean there's money to get these people settled any faster than we do with a tenth of the tax base of the US. Politicians also have to deal with many selfish Canadians who think as you do - we may have ancestral immigrants and have benefitted all these years but we don't want immigrants here in OUR country. They take away from Us.

Along with Canadians, the US has helped to destroy Canada's environment too with toxic emissions blowing north and the polluting of the Great Lakes. And then all those guns that get smuggled north because of drug trade in the US have added a lot of problems to our peace loving culture. Trump is not thinking - he has already done the damage to Canada and is threatening the auto industry. Tell me why in a three party agreement the US deserves half of the auto production to quote "make it fair". That's a sum-zero game he's playing and you are buying spinning and outright lies in some cases. I've never literally nor figuratively drunk Kool-Aid. Kraft's an American company. 😀 Whistle

Ontario lost most of it's manufacturing since NAFTA. Whole industries such as textile - gone. Huge steel maker Stelco - defunct. My friends losing their Stelco pensions. Robotics also play a part in job losses. But the problem is that in both countries some industries lost while others gained.

Statistics Canada puts the manufacturing job losses in Ontario at 255,000 over a recent decade, (6 year old figures now so probably even worse) dropping the number of factory employees from 908,900 in January 2003 to 654,200 in September 2012 and the province's gross domestic product lowered dramatically. And that's only one province. We even have a TV comedian travelling to the little towns across Canada highlighting their struggles with humour. It is called "Still Standing". The US little towns are not alone.

Reagan worked to get a trade agreement. "NAFTA took effect on Jan. 1, 1994. Since that time, the U.S. economy has added just over 25 million jobs, of which nearly 20 million were added under President Clinton, who pushed for ratification of NAFTA and signed the agreement."

Financial groups' analyses all say the US had a net GAIN of jobs. Even if by now the one million figure holds for the US, Canada still lost 1/4 the number of jobs in ten years with 1/10 of the population. A much greater loss.

https://www.factcheck.org/2008/07/naftas-impact-on-employment/

I think the US should stop "crying poor".

Bet you don't know that Canada folded and surrendered her Canadian sovereignty in a couple of key areas in NAFTA. Corporations can and have sued governments. And If there were a global oil shortage — like the ones in the 1970s — we couldn’t cut back our oil exports to the U.S. in order to redirect the oil to Canadians. US controls our oil. Those need to be changed.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/06/11/naftas-dirty-secret-it-lets-us-control-canadas-oil

While it sells more goods to the U.S. than it buys because of the difference in population size, a sizeable services trade deficit with the US brings the overall balance to - $11.9 billion in 2015 in favour if the US. That's a minus sign.

That's all moot now anyhow. NAFTA is pretty much dead. Let's see how a trade war costs us all more.

Your homework was not to ask Canada what she's doing about refugees on your southern border but to know that NOT including legal port of entries she's already taken in thousands of those from your southern border who trekked to the Canadian border and has given them healthcare and temporary amenities. And to know that Canada did her fair share from overseas. Germany with only 80 million population took in over a million in 2015 - more than the US took in in ten years. In 2015-6 Canada took in 25,000 plus many more that were sponsored privately by humanitarian people and groups. Obama wanted 10,000 but was blocked by Republicans. You wanted facts so there they are.

https://qz.com/567469/germany-is-taking-in-more-refugees-in-2015-than-the-us-has-in-the-past-10-years/

I wrote a whole post about Canada's involvement in world affairs so you don't need to "hmmm, hear about Trudeau" in your media which largely ignores us unless they wish to print something negative. In fact we prefer to be ignored by the US.

Hope wrote: "Canada and the remaining Trans-Pacific Partnership countries are working on ways to manage a rising China that seems increasingly willing to use its economic and military might to achieve its goals."

Canada uses diplomacy to deal with our trade deficit with China, and she works to export more instead of blaming China that Canadian consumers aren't willing to pay the cost of Canadian labour in comparison. But thanks to Trump, in Canada it now is "Don't buy American and don't go to the US. Travel Canada" and many are doing so. I see China has issued a governmental warning that it is not safe to travel to the US and I think Canada should stop trying to play nice with Trump and do the same because it no longer is safe in the US with a mass shooting every day.

American consumers want cheap products too and are just as much to blame for jobs going overseas as Canadian consumers.

Anyhow, that's all I'm interested in saying about the recent hiccup in Canada-US relations. I still have good American friends - all traditional Republicans btw, and I hope Canada and the US can get back to being good neighbours.

I hope Americans are trying to preserve their democracy as they celebrate independence day today, July 4th. We celebrated the founding of our country on July 1st with a touch of reserve with what is happening right now in our workplace.

I imagine you are in the middle of festivities right now and are having fun. Enjoy.



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Buzzito, have you seen this map showing each state's biggest partner in trading BECAUSE of NAFTA? Note how most are Canada, and next is Mexico - the two trading partners in NAFTA with the US. You would think those states woud be upset if NAFTA goes kerplunk. Only 4 states are China. I don't know how many US jobs are at risk, nor how many CDN jobs are at risk with this trade war. I only know it is the consumer who will pay more. That's you and me.

On this link is a Graph of accurate facts that shows US tariffs are higher than Canada's.

France, Germany and the UK - all members of the European Union, for now at least - charge an average tariff of 1.96% on imports.

The US average tariff is a bit lower: 1.67%.

Canada's is even lower: 1.56%.

Facts still matter, Donald.


http://www.rolandparis.com/single-post/2018/07/04/Dear-Donald-Canadas-Tariffs-are-Lower-than-Americas?_amp_&__twitter_impression=true



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I just read that in June the U.S. Border Patrol questioned crews for illegal immigrants of at least 2 and probably more fishing vessels in Canadian waters

WTH? Acting like China now. Obsess much? Stuff like this is on the way to escalation of hostility. The fishermen were well within their rights and U.S. officials had no jurisdiction to question them. 

This is a violation of our sovereignty. The Canadian government needs to step up and condemn this brazen act. What is the alternative? The govt says there is an investigation proceeding.

Stay out of our waters and MYOB. Such arrogance.


Edited - what were the US BP planning to do if they found any illegals? Seize them?

They claim to be looking for illegal immigrants," said Cook in his Facebook posting. "Pure b------t, to be illegal they would have to be in sovereign waters and they know it."


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Michael Avenatti is representing 60+ families to get their children back. Here's his rweet this morning.

Let's not move on.

"Weeks have gone by and Mr. Trump is doing very little to reunite families. We have seen no movement on the 60+ families we represent. Trump is hoping you simply forget and move on. We are doing everything we can to reunite these mothers with their children. It must happen NOW."

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There is a good article by Kevin Drum in Mother Jones today discussing why Trump is even concerned about “illegals,” because illegal immigration has been down since Bush cracked down in 2006. It is in Trump’s interest to keep this as a campaign slogan because there isn’t any win to resolving a problem that doesn’t really exist.
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Alleged Abuse by foster Mom.

Parents need to get their kids back NOW. I hope there is a special bad karma that takes care of anyone who causes these children to be separated and to anyone in the world who abuses children and animals.

And a special good karma for the hundreds of lawyers working to get these kids back where they belong. Lawyers don't always deserve the disrespect they get.




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US Army quietly discharging immigrant recruits:

Throwing out immigrants who are willing to or have put their lives on the line for what they thought would be their country shows it really is just vindictive racism - same as it was prejudice against the LGBT group. Women's bodies are under attack in some states. Who is next?

Three recruits who were let go tell their story. They were from Brazil, Pakistan, and Iran. Some of those recruits have lived in the States since they were children.

"Margaret Stock, an Alaska-based immigration attorney and a retired Army Reserve lieutenant colonel who helped create the immigrant recruitment program, said she’s been inundated over the past several days by recruits who have been abruptly discharged. Immigrants have been serving in the Army since 1775,” Stock said. “We wouldn’t have won the revolution without immigrants. And we’re not going to win the global war on terrorism today without immigrants.”

...Calixto, who lives in Massachusetts and came to the U.S. when he was 12, said in an email interview arranged through his attorney that he joined the Army out of patriotism. In the suit, Calixto said he learned he was being kicked out soon after he was promoted to private second class. The Pakistani service member who spoke to the AP said he learned in a phone call a few weeks ago that his military career was over. “There were so many tears in my eyes that my hands couldn’t move fast enough to wipe them away,” he said. “I was devastated, because I love the U.S. and was so honored to be able to serve this great country.”


https://apnews.com/38334c4d061e493fb108bd975b5a1a5d

It all starts at the top.

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The height of hypocrisy that is accepted by GOP and Trumpeters:

"President Trump’s private Palm Beach resort is seeking permission from the government to hire 40 additional temporary foreign workers to staff Mar-a-Lago during the ritzy Florida community’s busy season, according to United States Department of Labor records released Thursday." MSN

Trump did this last year too.
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Indeed.Applause Applause Applause
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Some toddlers separated for months don't recognize their mothers. What a shame!


Migrant Toddlers Don't Recognize Mothers After Long Separation

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I saw that, too. So sad. Some don’t realize what this kind of trama can cause. Life long fear and insecurity! Yet this is just one example of the way children are the targets of injustices. They are pawns in the hands of powerful people. Did you know the president just frozen payments to insurance companies that cover catastrophic medical care. Guess what children get sick and parents give every dime to save them and this law will possibly close many children’s hospitals for lack of coverage. This is a travesty. The day Trump was due to return the border babies he goes to NATO bashes our allies and makes cutesy remarks about Putin being the best part of this trip. That some of his people who HATE communist and socialism cheer him on blows my mind. Explain that to me FounDit.
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philips daughter wrote:
Explain that to me FounDit.


Please don't.
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Over 1,300 claims of sexual abuse against detainees have been filed about ICE between 2013 to 2017, according to the Times. Watchdog organizations estimate the reported number is significantly lower than the actual number of detainees sexually abused, the publication said.

It cost 40 million in two months to separate the children. How much of that 40 million went to private contractors profiting from the kidnapping and political exploitation of innocent children.

They are still separating children from family at the border. Even at legal ports of entry. There are still many children that have not been reunited. There are still parents being deported without their children.

There are still those who approve of this inhumanity.

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According to the Texas Tribune there are several hundred more children added despite court orders. There are new contracts being signed to build at least two more detention centers at the border. The people in San Antonio are trying to minister to them collecting new underwear in all sizes, toothbrushes, etc. The grocery store here is helping by sending children’s books. It is sad what’s happening. Some parents have been deported and can’t afford to come get their children. One grandmother has been waiting two months for her granddaughter. By the way, Hope, all my sympathy to you and your country after the terrible shooting. I notice Trump hasn’t offered our country’s condolences and that is sad. Canada always seems like it might be a pristine place. I’ve always wanted to visit. So sorry that violence like that should happen anywhere.
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Thanks PD.

It is nice that many people are compassionate to other humans in fear for their lives no matter their color and are helping them. A senator was just at the camps and corroborates what you said about the fact it is still happening despite the court order. It must be scary to see your govt breaking down, and not even obeying the courts now.

The Toronto shooter had had paychological problems for years. His parents had done everything but meds and psychotherapy had not helped.

I would like to know where he got the gun. A couple of years ago the conservative government got rid of a gun registry that the police said helped them to track the stolen guns from the US. After they dismantled years of work, the numbers of smuggled guns increased as did the gun violence in Canada, particularly Toronto.

My husband and son just decided to have some father son bonding over target shooting with a friend in the condo who works at a range.It is compulsory that they both must take a two day course on safety and take a written and practical exam - the days lasting 13 hours each by the time they get the practical part over for each participant. The course they took is run by a man who was in the police force for 20 years and was an instructor then and also had been in the army. He is in charge of the firearm safety group now. They are both doing that now. They also have to buy a safe to store it. (Our son had a rifle as a teen but had never held the gun he had at rhe range when he went with the friend, yet he put five shots together within a target the size of a quarter. No wonder he wants to pursue the hobby. My husband also was a target shooter before we married.)

Then they need to qualify for a licence with an RCMP check, there's a waiting period, and then they can join the range. They may not carry a gun anywhere except to and from the range. There is a difference between restrictive and non restrictive guns and handguns are restricted.

Idiot Conservative leader says we need to loosen the laws and also allow those repeating AK14s or whatever they are called - machine guns to me. Both the federal and provincial govts are lying to the people about immigrants and the economy etc. - learning from your prez. I hope I don't live long enough if both govts are led by idiot Conservatives. I used to be a Conservative until it was hijacked by the Reform Party from out west - like your Tea Party.

Anyhow, it was nice you noticed about those poor families in Toronto who were just going about their business or having lunch.



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