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I don’t agree I stole the money. Options
onsen
Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2018 4:45:24 PM
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Hello,

I don’t agree I stole the money.
(self-made sentence)

Which one does the sentence say or does it say both?
A. I stole the money.
B. I didn’t steal the money.

Thank you
thar
Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2018 5:43:19 PM

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What do you think it means, first - since you composed it?


What kind of clause do you expect to follow the statement:
I don't agree ...
?


How could you change the meaning, using punctuation?
onsen
Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2018 6:36:34 PM
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Thank you very much, thar.

thar wrote:
What do you think it means, first - since you composed it?

I suppose the sentence is understood as meaning B, in general.


thar wrote:
What kind of clause do you expect to follow the statement:
I don't agree ...?

Neighbour 1 says:
You said just now, "I stole the money". If you didn’t steal, you wouldn’t have said that way.
Neighbour 2:
I didn’t steal. But in what way should I say?
N 1:
In such a case, how about saying, "I don’t agree with your opinion I stole the money.", though it still has some room for doubt.
But ... I needn't have doubted you, sorry.
N 2:
Not at all.


thar wrote:
How could you change the meaning, using punctuation?

: might work.
I don’t agree: I stole the money.

PS.
The conversation is fiction.
Wilmar (USA)
Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2018 6:42:50 PM

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I did not steal the money.
onsen
Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2018 6:52:30 PM
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Wilmar (USA) wrote:
I did not steal the money.


Thank you very much, Wilmar (USA)

The sentence was posted because it has the word 'agree' in it. It is the core of my post. I don't stick to 'Policeman'.


palapaguy
Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2018 8:47:45 PM

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Does anyone disagree with me that the sentence should be "I don’t agree that I stole the money?"
Parpar1836
Posted: Monday, May 14, 2018 10:05:43 PM
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I deny that I stole the money.
palapaguy
Posted: Monday, May 14, 2018 10:33:48 PM

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OK. Any question?
Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:06:19 AM

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onsen wrote:

I don’t agree I stole the money.



To me this sounds like you did take the money, but you just don't agree it was a theft.

- With this so called investment you just stole my money!
- I don't agree I stole the money. It was a fair deal, you know <...>
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:39:32 AM

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Kirill has a good point.
I understand that you really want to use "agree", so I'm not sure how to change it.

"I didn't steal it!" would be normal if you somehow got some money (legally).
"I didn't steal any money!" is more general - maybe you got some money and maybe you didn't but you didn't steal any.

"I don't agree that I stole it" sounds as if there is some basis for saying that you stole it, but you don't agree (perhaps you tricked someone, and had them give you money, or something).

After "I don't agree", it is better to use 'that . . .' to avoid the possible ambiguity in speech.

I don't agree I stole the money
- I got it, but it wasn't stealing.
I don't agree; I stole the money - I stole it. (Maybe a colon,or even a full stop) would be better.)

Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
TMe
Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:45:00 AM

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I deny having stolen the money

I am a layman.
Romany
Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 12:21:18 PM
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I agree with Drago - the sentence sounds like the sort of slippery thing one would say to avoid one accusation by concentrating on another.

I you weren't a thief and there was no question of you being one, you'd say "I didn't steal the money" a strong, direct and true statement of fact.

I you said, "I don't agree I stole the money" it would suggest that yes, you took the money. But you didn't consider that stealing: you might consider it a loan, or the payback for a previous loan, or even a present.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:25:42 AM

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It was my birthday present, my preciousss!
The nasty Hobbit stole it!



Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
srirr
Posted: Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:54:27 AM

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To add my two cents:
The sentence means "I didn't steal the money." All agree to this.
As argued above by others, saying it the way OP has posted gives an impression that the money was taken, but it may not be a theft. I personally feel that this style of writing is a play of words that a lawyer in court or a story-writer in his book can use. The lawyers do not say directly. They have the art of saying a point with always having a vent open for discussion which can be moulded in any direction as required.


We are responsible for what we are, and whatever we wish ourselves to be, we have the power to make ourselves. ~ Swami Vivekanand
Romany
Posted: Thursday, May 17, 2018 6:05:42 AM
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That's what I meant by it being a "slippery" response. The person is not disagreeing that they are in possession of the money. What they don't agree with is that they stole it.
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