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onsen
Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:11:44 PM
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Hello,

About the phrases 'many those countries' and 'many of those countries':

A. many those countries = many of those countries

B. many those countries > many of those countries

C. many those countries < many of those countries

D. There is no relationship as to either one outnumbers the other.

Which one is correct, A or B or C or D?

( =, >, < : mathematical signs )

Thank you
palapaguy
Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:26:01 PM

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There is no phrase "many those countries." There is only "many of those countries."
onsen
Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:37:30 PM
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palapaguy wrote:
There is no phrase "many those countries." There is only "many of those countries."


Thank you very much, palapaguy.

A Google search gives a certain number of cases.

example:
Cancer Epidemiology: Low- and Middle-Income Countries and Special Populations .



palapaguy
Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:51:00 PM

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In your example, only two cases state "many those countries." The others state slightly different phrases with punctuation that changes the meanings. They are grammatically correct.

The two cases I mentioned are not correct.
thar
Posted: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:04:40 AM

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It is incorrect, though.

You have to measure the reliability of the sources.

If you are only seeing something in scanned sources, you have to question why you are not seeing it in more web pages.


[Edit - Or in some cases it may be a reduced clause you haven't recognised:
eg "Iceland and Holland win all their cricket matches. But many [matches that] those countries play are against weaker teams"]

But the example you give is just a mistake. Other examples may simply be mistakes.
For instance, in the example you give, the chapter is written by Farhad Islami and Paolo Boffetta.
Something has gone wrong somewhere - in the original writing, in the proof-reading, in the publishing or in the scanning into google books. Wherever it happened, it is an error. This is not correct English usage.

Many countries - a large number
Or
Those countries - demonstrative pronoun

One or the other, but not both.
not
Many those countries
That doesn't mean anything and is wrong.


You have to make a new structure if you want both,but it means something different
Many of those countries
- A large proportion of those countries, but not all of those countries.

Not many of those countries
Few of those countries

- A small proportion of those countries, but not zero.
Donthailand
Posted: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 7:50:55 AM
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I have to go with Thar on this one.
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