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philips daughter
Posted: Monday, May 14, 2018 7:59:40 AM

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Do you think the talks between Trump and Kim will be productive? Do you think Kin is giving in only because his missle site has been destroyed? Would you trust Trump or Kim? Does Trump deserve a Nobel prize?
Romany
Posted: Monday, May 14, 2018 10:32:42 AM
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I think you'll find that only a few Trump supporters - whose knowledge of history, world politics, and current affairs (outside of the USA) is negligible - are the ones talking about a Nobel. The very suggestion proves also that they don't understand either the history or common goal that the Nobel represents.

If you were to read news reports from Europe, Asia, and other countries, you'd see that Trumps involvement is normally discussed as a threat to the whole process and furthering the possibility of war.

It's China who brought about the recent change in Kim's public policy - his "incognito" trip to China was ground-breaking and marked an historical change that will be included in all the history books from now on.

No-one knows what they discussed together and what plans they made for the future. But there's no way either of them take Trumps ever-changing and childish nonsense as anything but what it is - bullying and ignorance. And China's response to Western bullying is known by everyone - with the exception of the Trump administration.

Think about it: if you were a small country in far-away Asia and on one hand, right on your doorstep you had one third of the worlds population with access to millions upon millions of troops, and on the other you had a distant Western country in the grip of an unbalanced bully who contradicts himself and changes his mind and is known for serial lying and switching of loyalties...? Who you gonna call?
thar
Posted: Monday, May 14, 2018 12:53:53 PM

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You have got to wonder how Kim spins the U-turn to his people,though.

One day - we urgently need nuclear missiles (even though you are starving) to attack US sites because they are evil aggressors determined to destroy us imminently.

Next day - we will pause nuclear weapons programme and negotiate.

Neither reason - 'China bribed us', or 'our mountain broke' - seem very justifiable.

Presumably they will go with 'our weapons programme was so successful that the US caved in to our overwhelming power and submitted to us, so we don't need it any more!'
Romany
Posted: Monday, May 14, 2018 1:11:44 PM
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It'll probably be years before we learn what terms they agreed upon - but yeah, it's pretty certain that, when push comes to shove, both would rather stick with the devil they know than deal with the West - especially when Trumps word, handshake or signature is liable to do a volte face when one of his customers at Mar a Largo has a chat with him!

China and Japan are now negotiating too - which shows exactly how determined China is to pick up every bit of slack Trump lets fall.Trump humiliated Abe in the eyes of the world - no government in the East is likely to forget or forgive that.
philips daughter
Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:57:12 AM

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I think that China did this deal. First Trump says he’s going to impose new tariffs. Then Kin goes to (was summoned) to China. Kim caves (or his mountain did). Now Trump is backing off the tarrifs. I think it follows.

I’m glad no one could ever conceivably give Trump the Nobel PEACE PRIZE. I was taken aback by Obama winning such a prestigious award. But I thought it wasn’t him an untried man but it was what his election represented. That there was hope on America that we might put to rest our ugly racial past. But no. In many people (46.7% of the population) it was like lancing a festering boil and the pus is flowing. Perhaps it will be cathartic in the long run. But after yesterday in Gaza and Jerusalem his chances of a peace prize is smaller than his hands. Sarah Huckabee Sanders Basically Admits Trump Knew of ‘Pay–to–Play’ Scheme - Splinter
https://apple.news/AUIVa6ybYTLOsgd-atjVh3Q
Hope123
Posted: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:26:53 PM

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PD, North Korea didn't agree re a peace prize for Trump and they should know. Only some Repubs agreed with the South Korean leader.

Besides, how could they award a peace prize to him when the Nobel Prize in literature will not be awarded this year after abuse allegations and what just happened to the unarmed 58 Palestinians killed and 2700 injured by Israelis because of his policy re Jerusalem - while Ivanka takes a congratulatory selfie. They all have blood on their hands.

And then there is yet to be seen the fall out from the Iran decision.

A man must be excessively stupid, as well as uncharitable, who believes there is no virtue but on his own side. Addison
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