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Ashwin Joshi
Posted: Friday, March 2, 2018 11:55:21 PM

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Who coined the swear words in BE and AE?



Me Gathering Pebbles at The Seashore.-Aj
mactoria
Posted: Saturday, March 3, 2018 12:26:03 AM
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What? "How coined the swear words..." Sentence doesn't make sense. And which swear words are you referring to?
Epiphileon
Posted: Saturday, March 3, 2018 4:25:09 AM

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This is a very interesting article, "Where The F**k Did Cussing Come From?"
Of course Wikipedia has a "Profanity" article.

With reference to the first article I found this quote particularly fascinating, "...linguists are discovering, cussing comes from a different part of the brain than other modes of spoken communication. “It’s [an] older, emotion-regulation part of the brain that we share with other primates and mammals,”"

In the face of continually mounting evidence for the biological roots of even such an esoteric behavior as swearing, I find it amazing that there are so many people who assume, and in some cases will even argue vociferously, that behavior originates from some independent, quasi defined thing like metaphysical consciousness, or spirit.

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TMe
Posted: Saturday, March 3, 2018 11:01:02 AM

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I am curious to know whether BE or AE excel in profanity?

I am a layman.
Romany
Posted: Sunday, March 4, 2018 3:50:58 AM
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Epi -

Yeah, that IS interesting - though I'd want to find out a whole lot more about it before I had any opinion on it. I can see that, in reaction to pain humans, who express themselves vocally, could react vocally rather than yelping, screaming, etc. It's also quite understandable that, when vocalising in this way, plosives such as "b", "p" would tend to lend themselves to the situation. We also know, from ancient graffiti and writings, that swearing appears to have been a fixture in all languages. But there's an awful lot of gaps from that to the theory they mention, aren't there? (Puts it in the long list of "stuff I'm going to find out more about when I have some spare time"!)



Epiphileon
Posted: Sunday, March 4, 2018 6:44:18 AM

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Hey Rom, thanks for replying, yeah I'd want to see a lot more evidence concerning the physiological tie in, before buying it completely. I have to admit to pushing the point of my second paragraph without having the amount of legitimate authority behind it that I usually need to be comfortable asserting something. I just thought I'd give it a shot, and see if there was much interest here yet, in that type of discussion.

On the other hand, "“It’s the type of language we use to invoke and pull out the strongest emotions in other people...”, this assertion seems to me, to be entirely self evident.

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Epiphileon
Posted: Sunday, March 4, 2018 6:46:06 AM

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Ashwin Joshi wrote:
Who coined the swear words in BE and AE?


Apparently, primarily the Germans.

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IMcRout
Posted: Sunday, March 4, 2018 8:27:42 AM

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Epi wrote
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Apparently, primarily the Germans.


I resemble this remark. Just because Neandertal is in Germany?

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Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Monday, March 5, 2018 7:38:17 AM

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I think the idea is that short Germanic-based words are considered "bad" or "swearing" but long Latin-based and Greek-based words meaning the same thing are "refined".


Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
thar
Posted: Monday, March 5, 2018 7:59:08 AM

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I have always wondered how Tourette's sufferers get a 'direct link' to swear words beyond their control. How they form that spe ial category. It seems you should be able to teach someone that 'tosh' is the worse swear word they can say, but clearly that approach can't work or people would have tried it.

Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Monday, March 5, 2018 9:06:31 AM

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Oh bother, fudge, sugar, pins, gad-dang!


Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
Romany
Posted: Monday, March 5, 2018 11:50:40 AM
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OK - am actually in the middle of doing something else so haven't thought this through...but Tourette's? Hmmm.

Tourette's is definitely neurological (isn't it?) so that's something (if one knew one helluva lot more about neurology!) that could support the idea Epi mentioned about a particular portion of the brain being responsible for swearing? Or, maybe, it could be the *only* reason for their research?

Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Monday, March 5, 2018 12:14:23 PM

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Hmmmm...Think Think Think

That would mean that somehow, the word "shit" is chemically different from the word "excrement" and so is filtered out and stored in a different bit of the brain so it automatically comes out when swearing is needed. There's no choice involved of course - it's all just automatic stimulus-response - as there is no real consciousness, it's all brain, like a computer.

I'd be interested to know what the chemical difference is and how one word goes into 'normal storage' and the other goes into 'swear storage'. Sounds like a job for one of Maxwell's demons.


Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
TMe
Posted: Monday, March 5, 2018 12:28:54 PM

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The discussion has slipped wayward.

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Hope123
Posted: Monday, March 5, 2018 3:01:24 PM

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Ashwin Joshi wrote:
Who coined the swear words in BE and AE?



Who decides what is and what isn't? Whichever Society you belong to. In other words, you and me. Therefore AE and BE may be different - the same as for all vocabulary.

Why would you think one society would swear more than another, TMe? I bet even the more religious societies think it even if they bite their tongues.

As for coining, each word can be checked in an etymology feature online.

Interesting ideas Epi, Drago, and Rom.

I wonder if other animals swear. Bet some of them do in their own language.

It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 6:17:44 AM

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Grrrwn fndwrrr grwarrrrfn.



Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
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