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When will Jesus come back ? Options
Trichakra
Posted: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 12:45:36 AM

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Do you guys think that Jesus will come back or not?
Y111
Posted: Sunday, July 16, 2017 8:51:28 AM
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Nobody seems to care. I wonder if even all Christians remember what this second coming is about. The soul is immortal, there are paradise and hell for it to go after death. What else? Why come? The kingdom of God? How is it different from paradise? Is God not the king of paradise? This would be very strange.

I guess this immortal soul, paradise and hell are later inventions. They don't look consistent with what Jesus said in the Gospel. How can you rise from the dead if you are still alive, living in paradise or hell? It doesn't make sense. If you have lost your body, it's actually good. Why would you want it back? What for? What's so bad about being a free spirit in paradise?
thar
Posted: Sunday, July 16, 2017 10:15:39 AM

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Wow, judging by the length of time this went without an answer....

I suspect a lot of people do care, but if they do, they completely believe it will happen, so it's not really up for discussion.


I have always seen the Second Coming as a very nihilistic philosophy. I actually quite like this world, despite its many faults. Waiting for a god to come down, and take you to paradise has always seemed to me the ultimate in quitting, to me.
It makes people very selfish, as well.
(There is a group of Pacific Islands I won't name. Some were first converted by your standard missionaries, so they became Christian, but kept their ideas about respecting their ancestors and their future, being guardians of the land.
Another lot got converted with the idea of the second coming, so they took anything they wanted right now - cut down the trees, pollute the rivers, to hell with the future. So now they have an environmental catastrophe because they saw their own salvation and didn't give a f*** about anybody else.
"Ah, but we are not like that - they misunderstood, poor simple people!" No, it is the same thing, as far as I am concerned. A death cult, people giving up and waiting to be taken away.

And very divisive. I mean, it is a protection racket. You are scared into obeying till it happens. Then, everybody sees it, but only the righteous get to go. I mean, that is just spiteful. d'oh! Luckily, I don't think I'm invited so I still get to do my own thing. But being so showy just shows a lack of respect for others, man.


Wow, that was vicious. And unnecessary, for a dead thread. You must have caught me at a really bad time! To any nice people treading this who believe in this, I didn't mean to call you a death cult. Really. I am sure you have it in perspective! Silenced
Y111
Posted: Sunday, July 16, 2017 11:22:11 AM
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thar wrote:

Waiting for a god to come down, and take you to paradise has always seemed to me the ultimate in quitting, to me.

No, he is to come to establish a kingdom of God on Earth, not to take people anywhere. Of course, he will be able to undo any harm that will have been done to Earth by the time, but on the other hand, nobody knows when he will come, so cutting trees and polluting rivers isn't wise. But the story about the islands is interesting.

thar wrote:

And unnecessary, for a dead thread.

Why is the thread dead if we are here? Aren't we alive?
TMe
Posted: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:44:06 PM

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Yes and He will take all good people to heaven.

I am a layman.
almo 1
Posted: Sunday, July 16, 2017 3:01:35 PM
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pedro
Posted: Thursday, November 2, 2017 8:07:04 AM

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If you could raise yourself from the dead you could do anything, but you can't.

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whatson
Posted: Thursday, November 2, 2017 5:53:09 PM
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TMe wrote:
Yes and He will take all good people to heaven.


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Wow, you have something to look forward to - rubbing elbows
with the skeletons of all those good people on the celestial elevator.

Maryam Dad
Posted: Thursday, November 2, 2017 10:07:05 PM

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almo 1 wrote:














Holy cow!

"And the sun and the moon are brought together --" (Al Qiyamah: 9)
Epiphileon
Posted: Saturday, November 4, 2017 4:38:34 AM

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pedro wrote:
If you could raise yourself from the dead you could do anything, but you can't.


Ah but could you cause yourself to have not existed?

Question authority. How do you know, that you know, what you know?
jacobusmaximus
Posted: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 6:21:19 PM

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Trichakra wrote:
Do you guys think that Jesus will come back or not?


I think Jesus will come back. Now please tell us what you think.
But there is no point in wondering when, because even Jesus doesn't know. (Mark 13:32)

I can't help wondering why you ask the question. Are you a Believer, Trichakra? Have you hit a low spot in your spiritual life? Or are you just taking a shot in the dark? If so you are starting at the wrong end of things. Start from the beginning of the Gospel of Mark and when you come to the end try asking the question again.


I remember, therefore I am.
jacobusmaximus
Posted: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 6:23:29 PM

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pedro wrote:
If you could raise yourself from the dead you could do anything, but you can't.


True, pedro, but God can raise you from the dead and He can do anything.

I remember, therefore I am.
whatson
Posted: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 8:30:25 PM
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Can't stop cataclysms ... sorry, He's actually sending them.
Can't stop gunmen at entertainment venues like
concerts halls and churches.
Only the patient ones could list everything what He can't do.

This is the problem with imaginary beings.
dusty
Posted: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 10:55:53 AM

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Aye!

He's been back thrice, at least as far as the "Official" record which thereafter failed to keep official record.

In The New Testament alone, those who have ears and were learnt their letters, heard the stories of Jesus Of Nazareth AKA the Baptist, and then best known or Jesus as Himself, and the least known (due to spelling variant, and more due to the Elite whom executed him deciding that the best way to execute damage control of the Truth he was spreading was for AP aka Apostle Paul AKA Associated Press take the liberty to author over half of the New Testament as opposed to the being comprised mainly from the records written by His Disciples) Judas whom as it were, was effectively silenced by Paul, for all excepting those who have E.A.R.S (Eugene Area Radio Stations)

those who do, most often hear the out of place and bogus "creative"/extraneous line which comes out of nowhere and in a completely different voice "who betrayed Jesus" and those who hear often understand why the guards were so taken aback as to stumble and fall all over themselves once they get there and ask which one is Jesus, it's the same one who led them there, you'd be taken aback too if the guide you were following -- taking you to the Savior -- but you didn't realize the person you were following the entire time is or now was the Savior and they typically don't have trouble figuring out it was Peter who the Main Character Jesus straight out says something like You idiot, you will betray my three times before the cock crows!

Aye!

I'd say He's been back, Countless times since then, and the same story bout the AP runnin damage control so that the Truth remains hidden excepting for those seemingly few

so the story goes

To be concerned of the fate of the world is not bad, but bearing false witness is to not be
Clyde of Oz
Posted: Monday, March 5, 2018 6:04:27 AM

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I do not believe he is coming back. I am far from sure he was ever here.

“Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.” ― Carl Sagan
biba
Posted: Monday, March 5, 2018 3:21:13 PM

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Trichakra wrote:
Do you guys think that Jesus will come back or not?



-I believe He will come back. :)

Is it possible to know when Jesus is coming back?
Jesus coming back
Question: "Is it possible to know when Jesus is coming back?"

Answer: Matthew 24:36-44 declares, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father…Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come…So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect Him.” At first glance, these verses would seem to provide a clear and explicit answer to the question. No, no one can know when Jesus is coming back. However, those verses do not say that no one will ever be able to know when Jesus will return. Most Bible scholars would say that Jesus, now glorified in heaven, knows the timing of His return, indicating that the phrase “nor the Son” does not mean Jesus will never know when He will return. Similarly, it is possible that, while Matthew 24:36-44 indicates that no one at that time could know the timing of Jesus’ return, God could reveal the timing of Jesus’ return to someone in the future.

In addition, there is Acts 1:7, which states, "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by His own authority." This was said by Jesus after the disciples asked Him if He was at that time going to restore the kingdom to Israel. This would seem to confirm the message of Matthew 24. It is not for us to know the timing of Jesus coming back. But there is also the question of which return these passages are referring to. Are they speaking of the Rapture or the Second Coming? Which return is unknowable—the Rapture, the Second Coming, or both? While the Rapture is presented as being imminent and mysterious, the timing of the Second Coming could potentially be known based on end-times prophecy.

With that said, let us be abundantly clear: we do not believe that God has revealed to anyone when Jesus is coming back, and we see nothing in Scripture which indicates that God will ever reveal to anyone when Jesus is coming back. Matthew 24:36-44, while spoken directly to the people in Jesus’ time, also contains a general principle. The timing of Jesus’ return and the end of the age is not for us to know. Scripture nowhere encourages us to try to determine the date. Rather, we are to “keep watch, because we do not know on which day our Lord will come” (v. 42). We are to “be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when we do not expect Him” (v. 44). The force of Jesus’ words diminishes if at some point in the future someone will be able to determine when He is coming back. If the date is discovered, we no longer need to “keep watch” or “be ready.” So, with the principle of Matthew 24:36-44 is mind, no, it is not possible for anyone to know the date that Jesus is coming back.

Despite this clear biblical principle, many throughout Christian history have attempted to prophesy the date that Jesus is coming back. Many such dates have been proposed, and all of them have been wrong. There have been two recent, popularly proposed dates: May 21, 2011, and December 21, 2012. The December 21, 2012, date is related to the Mayan calendar, with no biblical data used as evidence. The May 21, 2011, "Judgment Day" date was proposed by Harold Camping of Family Radio. It should be noted that Harold Camping previously predicted that Jesus would come back in 1994. Obviously, Camping was wrong. Camping claimed to have evidence for the May 21, 2011, date in Scripture. By using a speculative date of 4990 B.C. for the Flood, and then applying the “with the Lord one day is as a thousand years” of 2 Peter 3:8 to the seven days of Genesis 7:4, and then counting down the 7,000 years from 4990, the year 2011 resulted. Then, based on “the seventeenth day of the second month” from Genesis 7:11 and using the Hebrew calendar, the date of May 21 was determined. So, was there any validity to Camping’s methodology?

First, Camping conveniently ignored the second half of 2 Peter 3:8, “and a thousand years as one day.” Further, 2 Peter 3:8 is not providing a method for dating the end times. Rather, 2 Peter 3:8 is simply saying that God is above and beyond time. God is timeless, infinite, and eternal. Second, nothing in the context of Genesis 7:4-11 indicates that the “seven days” and “seventeenth day of the second month” are to be interpreted as applying to anything other than what God was specifically saying to Noah. Third, the Flood being dated to 4990 B.C. is speculative at best, with no explicit biblical evidence. Camping’s calculation of May 21, 2011, fell apart under even the most basic biblical scrutiny. Now, was it possible for Jesus to come back on May 21, 2011? Yes, but it is just as possible that He will come back on any other date. Did Harold Camping’s particular dating methodology have any biblical validity? No, it did not. Sadly, Camping and others will surely calculate new future dates and will attempt to explain away mistakes by “errors in the formula” or something to that effect.

The key points are (1) the Bible nowhere encourages us to attempt to discover the timing of Jesus’ return and (2) the Bible gives no explicit data by which the timing of Jesus’ return can be determined. Rather than developing wild and speculative calculations to determine when Jesus is coming back, the Bible encourages us to “keep watch” and “be ready” (Matthew 24:42-44). The fact that the day of Jesus’ return is unknown should motivate us to live every day in light of the imminence of Christ’s return.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-coming-back.html

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