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Donald J.Trump: Tough Guy Extraordinaire! Options
Chazlee
Posted: Monday, February 26, 2018 5:15:35 PM
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The recent mass killings in Florida have left a lot of people wondering what, if anything, they may have done if they were faced with such a situation. Run? Hide? Throw things at the shooter?

Well, for one world-leader, the answer is clear. He would have run into the school, even if he did not have a gun to protect himself. Using only his keen wit, and his fingers pointed in such a way that they "looked like" a gun from a distance, this person was willing, after the fact, to rush into the school to protect everyone in harm. "No way," I hear you all shouting out loud. Who would do such a thing? Risking his own life to protect others takes more than courage. It takes more than bravery. It takes a person who throws caution to the wind simply because "There are people who need me." Well, wonder no more. This man is Donald J. Trump.

According to an article from CNN.com, our fearless American leader, Mr. Donald J. Trump, states " I really believe I'd run in there, even if I didn't have a weapon...." That is right everyone.Using only his good-looks, or his wonderful personality, or his gun-shaped fingers, Trump would have rushed into the school shouting "Bang, Bang, you're dead bad guy," and the shooter would have fallen over dead.

Sleep well, everyone. Donald J. Trump is on the job, and he is keeping us all safe!

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/26/politics/trump-florida-school-without-a-weapon/index.html

philips daughter
Posted: Monday, February 26, 2018 5:44:13 PM

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What about the heel spurs that kept him from being drafted? One wonders and marvels how he has been able to overcome such terrible pain walking around the golf course. Such a strong physical, moral and sane leader! He also says he will handle the NRA and we shouldn’t fear them. He’s not scared.
hedy mmm
Posted: Monday, February 26, 2018 9:35:40 PM

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I'm Proud to Be An American and I stand behind my President...
Yes, he is Tough Guy Extraordinaire...

These are a few of Donald J. Trump tweets on @realDonaldTrump - 2/22/18
"I never said “give teachers guns” like was stated on Fake News @CNN & @NBC. What I said was to look at the possibility of giving “concealed guns to gun adept teachers with military or special training experience - only the best. 20% of teachers, a lot, would now be able to....immediately fire back if a savage sicko came to a school with bad intentions. Highly trained teachers would also serve as a deterrent to the cowards that do this. Far more assets at much less cost than guards. A “gun free” school is a magnet for bad people. ATTACKS WOULD END!,

"...History shows that a school shooting lasts, on average, 3 minutes. It takes police & first responders approximately 5 to 8 minutes to get to site of crime. Highly trained, gun adept, teachers/coaches would solve the problem instantly, before police arrive. GREAT DETERRENT!"

"If a potential “sicko shooter” knows that a school has a large number of very weapons talented teachers (and others) who will be instantly shooting, the sicko will NEVER attack that school. Cowards won’t go there...problem solved. Must be offensive, defense alone won’t work!"


FYI ...Crime Prevention Research Center
Annual death rate from mass shootings per million people
Norway - 2.044
Macedonia - 0.377
Serbia - 0.283
Slovakia - 0.201
Finland - 0.142
Belgium - 0.138
Czech Republic - 0.133
United States - 0.095 (surprised? I'm not!)

Seriously. Conservatives own 200+ million guns, 12 trillion rounds of ammunition. If we were violent, you'd know it!
GOD BLESS AMERICA

hedy

"God graced us with today....don't waste it." hedy
TL Hobs
Posted: Monday, February 26, 2018 10:11:54 PM

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Twitler, aka POTUS, called the deputy at the school a coward. He should know. Bullies are cowards in that they only attack those who are unable or unwilling to fight back. A coward knows another coward when he sees one. I have no idea what happened with the deputy and believe that Twitler doesn't either.

My guess Twitler would pee his pants and hide behind the first person near him, all while crying like a little baby. He would probably use little kids as a shield.



"When you don't know where you are going, you have to stick together just in case someone gets there." - Ken Kesey
mactoria
Posted: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 1:43:37 AM
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Rational people examine carefully information quoted in the media or the internet for legitimacy, well-rounded, basically truthfulness. I checked out the Crime Prevention Research Center: its founder/spokesman is John Lott, who is a columnist for Foxnews.com, is a visitor to Fox Network shows, an advocate and supporter of the NRA and its agenda which includes private ownership of assault weapons. Doesn't make him or the CPRC illegitimate, but does let us know its biases. Other stats might give a different result, but years ago Congress barred gov't agencies like the CDC and FBI from doing reports on gun-related issues because of NRA pressure...and passed laws preventing damaged citizens from suing gun manufacturers. Hmmm.

So what do the cited stats actually mean? Finland with a death rate of 2.044/million has a total population of 5 million; one or two 'mass shootings' in a year yields 10 people dead from gun assault. Whereas the US has a population of about 330 million, so a death rate of .095/million means that 300+ persons were killed in 'mass shooting' events, which would result from several dozen 'mass shootings." This is something to be pleased with? That's if the CPRC's stats are correct and meaningful...and since I couldn't find the quoted report, I don't know what year or years were being compared, or whether the data was accurately reported as Lott/CPRC has been criticized roundly for years by scientists, physicians, and others in the world of empirical data for misusing and abusing data.

Other info and stats to consider instead: Parkland (17 dead at school), Sutherland Springs (26 dead at church), San Bernadino (14 dead at a work training), Las Vegas (58 dead at an outdoor concert), Orlando (49 dead at a nightclub) and on and on. According to the Small Arms Survey, 330 million Americans have more than 350 million guns (which is way more than one gun per adult). In the last 5 years there have been 'mass shooting' in the US at the rate of 9 out of every 10 days (by the way a 'mass shooting' is defined by the US gov't as 4 or more persons shot). The rate of 'mass shootings' has spiked in the past year, and why would that be? Are we in the US less able to control our impulses, easier to reach rage, have a much higher rate of violent mental illness (which by the way, most mentally ill persons tend to be victims, not predators)? Or is it access to guns, particularly assault rifles and semi-auto handguns?

This doesn't include everyday murders, accidental shootings, or suicides which amount to more than 30,000 people dead in the US each of the past several years. Americans kill each other with guns during domestic arguments between loved ones; during police stops of cars with unlit rear lights; in drive-by shootings of total strangers; in what used to be non-violent burglaries that are now violent confrontations; etc. Suicides? the common method; I was informed last night that the son of a friend just shot himself after arguing with his wife. Accidental shootings? Kids playing with loaded guns happens dozens of times per year.

'Mass shootings' of innocent people in public spaces is horrifying, not just when it happens at a school (horrifying as it is), but in theaters, concerts, nightclubs, churches, temples, restaurants, etc. Read a report from the radiologist that did a scan on one Parkland victim about the damage done to bodies by the assault rifle: there wasn't a bullet tract through the his liver, the liver was 'exploded' to the point there was nothing to repair; other organs were similarly destroyed. The point being that assault weapons are meant to annihilate the victim. Hand guns are dangerous and Americans are using them to kills themselves and others by the thousands each year; assault rifles are weapons of war meant to absolutely put down the enemy in an coldly efficient and merciless manner for self-preservation in battle.

There's nothing to be proud of in these numbers or the deaths of thousands of people (nor the billions of dollars of medical expenses and lost wages due to gun violence each year, nor the lost promise of souls who will no longer give love to family/friends nor contributions to our country). I'll be proud when our country actually defines the problem(s) involved in gun violence and implements effective solutions.

March Hare
Posted: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 1:57:52 AM

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hedy mmm wrote:
FYI ...Crime Prevention Research Center
Annual death rate from mass shootings per million people
Norway - 2.044
Macedonia - 0.377
Serbia - 0.283
Slovakia - 0.201
Finland - 0.142
Belgium - 0.138
Czech Republic - 0.133
United States - 0.095


If you look up the website you cited on mediabiasfactcheck.com, you'll find that it's extremely biased.
I quote: "The Crime Prevention Research Center is a nonprofit founded in 2013 by John Lott, author of the book “More Guns, Less Crime.” He is best known as an advocate in the gun rights debate, particularly his arguments against restrictions on owning and carrying guns. Lott’s work has been called “junk science” as he has been accused of accepting funding from the National Rifle Association. Lott denies this claim. Any claims made on this website need to be fact checked with credible sources."

Even if the numbers you quote are correct, they are based on a very short period, 2009-2015, in which one single mass shooting incident in Norway cost the lives of hundreds of people - causing these statistics to be anything but representative over a longer period of time.
Lotje1000
Posted: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 4:30:11 AM

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I find it ironic that Trump now wants to give guns to teachers, but only if those teachers are "gun adept teachers with military or special training experience - only the best". But he doesn't require those criteria for average people who want to own guns.

Also, to put it crudely, why do some pro-gun people now hail this as an amazing solution when anti-gun people have been asking for these kinds of criteria for gun ownership for ages now?
progpen
Posted: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 10:41:13 PM

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Lotje1000 wrote:
I find it ironic that Trump now wants to give guns to teachers, but only if those teachers are "gun adept teachers with military or special training experience - only the best". But he doesn't require those criteria for average people who want to own guns.

Also, to put it crudely, why do some pro-gun people now hail this as an amazing solution when anti-gun people have been asking for these kinds of criteria for gun ownership for ages now?


Americans aren't actually supposed to "think" about the gun violence and gun control, we are just supposed to be outraged that anyone would question our god given Constipational right to have an arsenal that will only ever be used to kill innocent Americans.

Just to refresh our memory here. We are the country that is currently allowing Russia to funnel money into the Republican Party through the National Rifle Association, this while we listen to the head of the NRA call anyone who questions their setup a Socialist (gasp- the horror). Wayne LaPierre, who just happens to be a monocle and Persian cat away from being the villain in a James Bond movie. We are also the country that sits and listens to Republicans vilify and ridicule the traumatized students and families of the victims of the latest (but not last) massacre.

And we have yet to hit the bottom of the Stupid Pit here in the good old US of A.

Nolite te bastardes carborundorum
Romany
Posted: Thursday, March 1, 2018 10:22:14 AM
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For some reason (maybe because bookkeeping is not their thing?) the current number of NRA members in the USA is unknown. But is reckoned to be around 9 million. Well, supposing we round that up another million and round if off at 10 million?

In a country with a population the size of America's that's a flea-bite; a mere speck; a loony fringe. How is this minute sliver of the total demography allowed to call the shots: dictating policy, laws, Bills that rule the entire country. Ten million people?? It just doesn't compute.

Yeah, yeah; I know they've got pots of money and an Old Boys Club - most countries have versions of the same kind of thing. But they are always being fought against, opposed, exposed, held in check precisely because the whole nation would rise up if they were seen, so blatantly, to be dictating the way the other 90% live?

I honestly thought I'd run out of surprises - but from all the indications, I'd thought that at least the majority of the minority who compose the incumbent's 'base' would have been card-carrying members. That tiny little number makes humongous decisions about the laws of the land? Staggering.
philips daughter
Posted: Thursday, March 1, 2018 10:31:10 AM

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Mr. Trump has shown more of his true motives and lack of basic knowledge of the constitution. He said yesterday he would take guns from citizens based on hearsay evidence. He would forgo due process of the law. I laughed to think that the people who fear having the government take their guns elected Trump who has no problem taking guns. I don’t think any Democrats have ever advocated that. It is ironic and tragic where the GOP has led us. No common sense remedy has ever passed their minds much less Congress. You people asked for it and now we all suffer. Thanks GOP.
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